[DNSOP] DRAFT Agenda for IETF118 DNSOP Sessions

2023-10-25 Thread Tim Wicinski
All, We've uploaded a draft agenda for IETF118, but we do feel we could use some guidance from the working group. We did ask folks if they had conflicts with either session, and we've had a few specific requests for Tuesday, including one document marked For Consideration. We also tentatively sc

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Mark Andrews
Just picking one of these emails. What’s all the FUD here about? There is *nothing* new here. CPE boxes have done UPDATE to change their addresses to *non authoritative* servers using UPDATE for at least a decade now. DYN DNS did this. The updates used TSIG for authentication. Mac also doe

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Johan Stenstam
> On 25 Oct 2023, at 18:58, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25 Oct 2023, at 18:46, Johan Stenstam > wrote: > >> I agree. But it is bad to design a system where the key CANNOT be rolled. > > I agree. I was just expressing doubt that you can find a single automated > mechanism that is appropriate to

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Johan Stenstam
Hi Paul, > On 25 Oct 2023, at 17:20, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2023, at 10:11, Paul Vixie > wrote: >> > > [speaking as individual] > >> i am uncomfortable using the UPDATE RCODE for a purpose unrelated to zone >> modification. perhaps propose a new RCODE having the same message fo

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Oct 2023, at 18:46, Johan Stenstam wrote: > I agree. But it is bad to design a system where the key CANNOT be rolled. I agree. I was just expressing doubt that you can find a single automated mechanism that is appropriate to use in all possible compromise scenarios. For a hopefully rar

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Johan Stenstam
Hi, > On 25 Oct 2023, at 17:50, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25 Oct 2023, at 17:31, Johan Stenstam > wrote: > >> On 25 Oct 2023, at 11:32, Joe Abley wrote: >> >>> I am not at all familiar with SIG(0), so bear with me. What is the key >>> distribution mechanism for the DNS UPDATE originator's pu

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Johan Stenstam
Hi Paul, > On 25 Oct 2023, at 16:10, Paul Vixie > wrote: > > see inline. > > Johan Stenstam wrote on 2023-10-25 01:09: >> Greetings Working Group, >> As many of you are aware Peter Thomassen, John Levine and I have been >> working on the generalised notifications for a while. The key idea the

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Oct 2023, at 17:31, Johan Stenstam wrote: > On 25 Oct 2023, at 11:32, Joe Abley wrote: > >> I am not at all familiar with SIG(0), so bear with me. What is the key >> distribution mechanism for the DNS UPDATE originator's public key? RFC 2931 >> suggests an unsigned KEY RR, I think? >

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Johan Stenstam
Hi Joe, > On 25 Oct 2023, at 11:32, Joe Abley wrote: > > On 25 Oct 2023, at 10:10, Johan Stenstam > wrote: > >> So now there’s a new draft, that further extends the same core idea (locate >> the target for the information being sent via a DNS lookup in the parent >> zone). However, the new

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Paul Wouters
On Oct 25, 2023, at 10:11, Paul Vixie wrote: > [speaking as individual] > i am uncomfortable using the UPDATE RCODE for a purpose unrelated to zone > modification. perhaps propose a new RCODE having the same message form as > UPDATE? I agree. >> 2. No requirement for DNSSEC. Great as DNSSEC

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Paul Vixie
see inline. Johan Stenstam wrote on 2023-10-25 01:09: Greetings Working Group, As many of you are aware Peter Thomassen, John Levine and I have been working on the generalised notifications for a while. The key idea there is obviously that a NOTIFY(CDS) or NOTIFY(CSYNC) sent from the child to

Re: [DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Joe Abley
On 25 Oct 2023, at 10:10, Johan Stenstam wrote: > So now there’s a new draft, that further extends the same core idea (locate > the target for the information being sent via a DNS lookup in the parent > zone). However, the new draft > (draft-johani-dnsop-delegation-mgmt-via-ddns-00) proposes

[DNSOP] Automated delegation management via DDNS

2023-10-25 Thread Johan Stenstam
Greetings Working Group, As many of you are aware Peter Thomassen, John Levine and I have been working on the generalised notifications for a while. The key idea there is obviously that a NOTIFY(CDS) or NOTIFY(CSYNC) sent from the child to the parent scanner will allow the scanner to fast track