Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Frederico A C Neves
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 11:20:13AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > At this stage I think the only way to force this is to drop negative > responses without SOA records present. To have the lookups fail and > that requires buy in by the large recursive server operators. > > Similarly add an unknown E

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Mark Andrews
At this stage I think the only way to force this is to drop negative responses without SOA records present. To have the lookups fail and that requires buy in by the large recursive server operators. Similarly add an unknown EDNS option (pick a value between 1000 and 1999) to every QUERY until 1 J

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Mark Andrews
Somehow saying MUST include a SOA record in the negative response isn’t enough. 3 - Negative Answers from Authoritative Servers Name servers authoritative for a zone MUST include the SOA record of the zone in the authority section of the response when reporting an NXDOMAIN or indicating that no d

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Puneet Sood
Also the following section (2.2.1 - Special Handling of No Data) suggests sending type 2 instead of type 1 responses but is silent about type 3 responses. On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 8:46 PM Puneet Sood wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 8:26 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > RFC 2038 already says add

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Puneet Sood
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 8:26 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > > RFC 2038 already says add the SOA so negative answers can be cached. The > other responses > where to show what was out there so that they where not misinterpreted. I believe you are referring to this sentence? Quote: "The authority section

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Mark Andrews
RFC 2038 already says add the SOA so negative answers can be cached. The other responses where to show what was out there so that they where not misinterpreted. I doubt saying don’t do those old forms will make any difference. Everything out there has had 25 years to comply. > On 15 Apr 2023,

[DNSOP] FYI: SVCB and HTTPS RR and DNSSEC signing/validation

2023-04-14 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
Though this is in fact implicit in RFC4035 Section 6.2, it is perhaps worth reminding any implementors reading this post (and though absurdly late, perhaps even adding yet another minor tweak to the document) that the target name of a SVCB or HTTPS record, though a domain name, MUST NOT be canonica

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Puneet Sood
On the topic of authoritative server behavior as seen in the DNS responses, a few areas for improvement below (not touching DNSSEC). This is written from the perspective of a resolver using the auth responses to answer user queries. * responding correctly to requests with certain flags, EDNS optio

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-04-14 Thread Puneet Sood
I wanted to respond to this thread earlier, so apologies in advance for late posting and if this is a no-op at this point. Me getting confused about the last call for this draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional/) and https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf