Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread Paul Vixie
Florian Obser wrote on 2023-03-01 22:42: I might not be caffeinated enough yet, but I think the next domain name in section 5 should be \000.ent1.example.net: ent1.example.net. 3600 IN NSEC \000.ent1.example.net. RRSIG NSEC ENT In section 6, calling getaddrinfo() return values e

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread Florian Obser
I might not be caffeinated enough yet, but I think the next domain name in section 5 should be \000.ent1.example.net: ent1.example.net. 3600 IN NSEC \000.ent1.example.net. RRSIG NSEC ENT In section 6, calling getaddrinfo() return values exit codes is a bit odd, maybe this will do?

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread Paul Ebersman
gih> for what its worth I would like to chime in and support George's gih> view. The technique is NOT a lie per se. I'll "me too" this with George and Geoff. Figuring out a more efficient way to do what is ultimately wanted (crypographically provable denial of existence) that works better than th

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread Joe Abley
Hi George, On Wed, Mar 1, 2023 at 17:40, George Michaelson wrote: > My opposition is philosophical and practical. > > the philosophical part, is that this is a SIGNED ASSERTION by the zone > authority. I don't think anything the zone authority says under a > signature should be called a lie, bec

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread Geoff Huston
for what its worth I would like to chime in and support George’s view. The technique is NOT a lie per se. It's a stretch (well its the opposite of “stretch” - its a “compression”) of the intended contents of the denial of existence response, but it is not a lie as I see it. I would be far more co

Re: [DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread George Michaelson
My opposition is philosophical and practical. the philosophical part, is that this is a SIGNED ASSERTION by the zone authority. I don't think anything the zone authority says under a signature should be called a lie, because the basis of verification is that its exactly what was intended to be sai

[DNSOP] IETF 116 Call for Agenda Items DNSOP WG

2023-03-01 Thread Benno Overeinder
Dear WG, This is a Call for Agenda Items for the IETF 116 in Yokohama, Japan. Please email the chairs with your requests. *Or* drop us a pull request https://github.com/ietf-wg-dnsop/wg-materials/tree/main/dnsop-ietf116 look for dnsop-ietf116-agenda-requests.md. Please Note: Draft Submissi

[DNSOP] New draft: Compact Lies/Denial of Existence in DNSSEC

2023-03-01 Thread Shumon Huque
Hi folks, We've posted a new draft describing the former "Black Lies" mechanism for authenticated denial, now renamed as "Compact Lies". https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-huque-dnsop-compact-lies/ We are hoping to discuss it here and at IETF116, and see if there is interest in adopting

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-03-01 Thread Shumon Huque
On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 5:50 AM Ralf Weber wrote: > > These “rare” cases where the domain is not resolvable when a glue is not > present are the ones this draft is done for. So did you look how rare > they were in your dataset? Being able to resolve instead of not resolving > IMHO has value even