Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP rfc8499bis Interim followup consensus on glue definition

2022-11-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Nov 4, 2022, at 15:22, Ben Schwartz wrote: >>> I agree; this is about utility, not necessity. For example, records >>> are almost never "necessary" in glue, but they are useful, so they are glue. >> >> Uh, what? For the kazillion peoeple on V6 only mobile networks, the >> records

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP rfc8499bis Interim followup consensus on glue definition

2022-11-04 Thread John Levine
It appears that Ben Schwartz said: >-=-=-=-=-=- >-=-=-=-=-=- > >I agree; this is about utility, not necessity. For example, records >are almost never "necessary" in glue, but they are useful, so they are glue. Uh, what? For the kazillion peoeple on V6 only mobile networks, the record

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP rfc8499bis Interim followup consensus on glue definition

2022-11-04 Thread Joe Abley
On Nov 4, 2022, at 10:27, Ben Schwartz wrote: > I agree; this is about utility, not necessity. For example, records > are almost never "necessary" in glue, but they are useful, so they are glue. "First they came for the v6-only clients, and I did not speak out, because I was not v6-onl

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP rfc8499bis Interim followup consensus on glue definition

2022-11-04 Thread Ben Schwartz
I agree; this is about utility, not necessity. For example, records are almost never "necessary" in glue, but they are useful, so they are glue. On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 7:24 AM libor.peltan wrote: > Hi, > > regarding the question of "necessary" versus "useful". I apologize, but > I must kin

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP rfc8499bis Interim followup consensus on glue definition

2022-11-04 Thread libor.peltan
Hi, regarding the question of "necessary" versus "useful". I apologize, but I must kind-of undermine the question. Imagine that a delegation is supplemented with an SVCB record that describes how to connect securely (with TLS) to the delegated nameserver. (Dunno if this really can happen tod

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP rfc8499bis Interim followup consensus on historical definition of bailiwick

2022-11-04 Thread libor.peltan
Hi, I'm trying to understand this, but not sure if I do. What I see is: "The definition of bailiwick (in-b, out-of-b) is messed up and any further use of it in normative documents will probably lead to ambiguities. The proposed tactic is to stop using it and define a new term (in-domain) whic

[DNSOP] FW: [Maprg] MAPRG agenda up - Thursday 13-15

2022-11-04 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind
Hi DNS people! We have talks about DNS over QUIC and on the impact of the war on the .ru domain on the agenda. See below. I believe this could be interesting for you and looking forward to see you at the session on Thursday! Mirja On 04.11.22, 10:23, "Maprg on behalf of Mirja Kuehlewind"