Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Brian Dickson
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:05 AM Ben Schwartz wrote: > I agree with Erik's characterization of the problem. Personally, I favor > an _optional_, authoritative-only specification for ANAME, so that ANAME > can be present in zone files if the server supports it, and it is processed > 100% locally

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Erik Nygren
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:53 AM Vladimír Čunát wrote: > In this case however, I personally believe it's much better design *not* > to put the link-following work on authoritative servers (or their > provisioning) but further down the chain (resolvers and/or clients). > Well, I suppose I don't rea

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 2/21/20 3:01 PM, Klaus Malorny wrote: > simply that I want to get rid of it. IMHO one aim of a new technology > should be to make old technology obsolete, esp. such workarounds. If I > have to keep them (forever?), where is the benefit (for me as a company)? I see.  You'd like to deploy someth

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Klaus Malorny
On 21.02.20 14:44, Vladimír Čunát wrote: On 2/21/20 2:23 PM, Klaus Malorny wrote: My understanding of the plan is that for fallbacks we'll have what people are using now, e.g. that http redirect.  Perhaps you can elaborate on why that doesn't seem sufficient. Hi Vladimir, simply that I want t

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 2/21/20 2:23 PM, Klaus Malorny wrote: > I see a major drawback in comparison to the ANAME draft, namely that > there seems to be no fallback for old browsers (and robot software > accessing websites) being defined. Of course, authoritative name > servers could implement a similar mechanism as sp

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Tim Wicinski
Similar to Dan, I have HTTPS based API services whose endpoints are at a zone apex. Tim On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 7:19 AM Dan York wrote: > Benno, > > On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:08 AM, Benno Overeinder wrote: > > I am interested to learn what the problem is that the customer wants to > solve. Quoti

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Klaus Malorny
On 21.02.20 13:19, Dan York wrote: If HTTPSVC can do that, and browser vendors will implement it [1], then that use case can be satisfied. Dan Hi all, I have to admit that I haven't worked through the HTTPSSVC/SVCB draft in detail, but while it seems to provide much more functionality than

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Dan York
Benno, On Feb 21, 2020, at 4:08 AM, Benno Overeinder mailto:be...@nlnetlabs.nl>> wrote: I am interested to learn what the problem is that the customer wants to solve. Quoting from the email from Evan Hunt in this thread: "CNAME at the apex wasn't really the problem. Getting browsers to display

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 2/21/20 1:04 PM, Klaus Malorny wrote: > according to my colleagues, who are in contact with the customers, the > use case is mostly in the context of CDNs. Some of them maintain a > larger set of domains with alternate spellings of their product names, > with different ccTLDs, some for promotion

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Klaus Malorny
On 21.02.20 10:08, Benno Overeinder wrote: I am interested to learn what the problem is that the customer wants to solve. Quoting from the email from Evan Hunt in this thread: "CNAME at the apex wasn't really the problem. Getting browsers to display content from the right CDN server was the pro

Re: [DNSOP] status of the aname and svcb/httpsvc drafts

2020-02-21 Thread Benno Overeinder
Hi Karl, On 2/20/20 10:31 AM, Klaus Malorny wrote: > thanks all for responding, this was very informative for me. The lack of > interest for the ANAME draft is a bit pity. We have some customer > requests in this direction and I was hoping to be able to offer them a > standards compliant solution.