Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
Hi Tony On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 10:08:45PM +0100, Tony Finch wrote: > * minimal ANAME can be deployed unilaterally on the provisioning side > * 20 years ago and similar features are widely available (you are > * ahead of me on this one, John!); if resolvers implement it there > * will be useful am

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018, Tony Finch wrote: If I look up foo and it has an ANAME to bar, which of these do I get back? ; ANSWER SECTION foo. A 1.2.3.4 ; ADDITIONAL SECTION foo. ANAME bar. bar. A 1.2.3.4 The model is that this is a replacement for manually copying address records, with added hint

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Tony Finch
> On 19 Sep 2018, at 21:14, John Levine wrote: > If I look up foo and it has an ANAME to bar, which of these do I get > back? ; ANSWER SECTION foo. A 1.2.3.4 ; ADDITIONAL SECTION foo. ANAME bar. bar. A 1.2.3.4 The model is that this is a replacement for manually copying address records, with

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >Authoritative servers / zone transfers >-- > >No special new behaviour. > > >Additional section processing >- > >This applies to auth and rec servers. In response to an A / / >ANAME query, include any sibli

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Wouters wrote: > > The design goals of a solution in this space should be: > > - Fully supports DNSSEC > - Does not require AUTH server changes other then supporting a new > RRTYPE presentation / wire format and/or serving a new RRTYPE as > Additional Data. > - All optimization work is do

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 19 Sep 2018, Paul Vixie wrote: Tony Finch wrote: Anthony Eden wrote: FWIW, there's still always https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dnsop-eden-alias-rr-type/ I get the impression that a lot of the objection to the current ANAME draft is that it specifies that auth servers d

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Paul Vixie
Tony Finch wrote: Anthony Eden wrote: FWIW, there's still always https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dnsop-eden-alias-rr-type/ I get the impression that a lot of the objection to the current ANAME draft is that it specifies that auth servers do ANAME target lookups and record substitut

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Tony Finch
Anthony Eden wrote: > FWIW, there's still always > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dnsop-eden-alias-rr-type/ I get the impression that a lot of the objection to the current ANAME draft is that it specifies that auth servers do ANAME target lookups and record substitution; your draft says

Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Anthony Eden
FWIW, there's still always https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dnsop-eden-alias-rr-type/ (also available at https://github.com/aeden/alias-rr-type) which can be revived if there is interest. Sincerely, Anthony Eden On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:56 AM Tony Finch wrote: > I think there's still a

[DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

2018-09-19 Thread Tony Finch
I think there's still a need to standardize ANAME, to provide at least some level of zone file portability between the various existing proprietary versions of this feature. And to provide something usable by zone publisters on a much shorter timescale than a nsa SRV-alike. So here's a sketch of a

Re: [DNSOP] abandoning ANAME and standardizing CNAME at apex

2018-09-19 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 09:48:18AM +0200, Petr Špaček wrote: > > > On 19/09/2018 09:31, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Petr Špaček wrote: > >> On 18/09/2018 22:02, JW wrote: > >>> > >>> Original message > >>> From: Mark Andrews > >>> > >>>

Re: [DNSOP] abandoning ANAME and standardizing CNAME at apex

2018-09-19 Thread Petr Špaček
On 19/09/2018 09:31, Mukund Sivaraman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Petr Špaček wrote: >> On 18/09/2018 22:02, JW wrote: >>> >>> Original message >>> From: Mark Andrews >>> I would also expect a relatively large client population using SRV records

Re: [DNSOP] abandoning ANAME and standardizing CNAME at apex

2018-09-19 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 19 Sep 2018, at 5:26 pm, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 07:24:25AM +1000, > Mark Andrews wrote > a message of 38 lines which said: > >> As for scripts, you upgrade the tools those scripts use: >> curl(libcurl), wget, fetch for SH. File::Fetch for perl. Similar >

Re: [DNSOP] abandoning ANAME and standardizing CNAME at apex

2018-09-19 Thread Mukund Sivaraman
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 09:05:21AM +0200, Petr Špaček wrote: > On 18/09/2018 22:02, JW wrote: > > > > Original message > > From: Mark Andrews > > > >> I would also expect a relatively large client population using SRV records > >> given the rate Firefox and Chrome browsers are

Re: [DNSOP] abandoning ANAME and standardizing CNAME at apex

2018-09-19 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 07:24:25AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote a message of 38 lines which said: > As for scripts, you upgrade the tools those scripts use: > curl(libcurl), wget, fetch for SH. File::Fetch for perl. Similar > for the other scripting languages. Very few applications actually > ma

Re: [DNSOP] abandoning ANAME and standardizing CNAME at apex

2018-09-19 Thread Petr Špaček
On 18/09/2018 22:02, JW wrote: > > Original message > From: Mark Andrews > >> I would also expect a relatively large client population using SRV records >> given the rate Firefox and Chrome browsers are upgraded.  SRV lookups >> work for lots ofother protocols.  SRV records als