[DNSOP] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-12

2018-08-13 Thread Allison Mankin
Reviewer: Allison Mankin Review result: Almost Ready Overall Comment - there is a lot of illumination in here, but one overall point and a few smaller ones explain why I rated the draft Almost Ready, rather than Ready. The overall points is that it should give the reader more guidance. It is ve

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Last Call: (DNS Terminology) to Best Current Practice

2018-08-13 Thread Paul Hoffman
Thank you for your comments. On Aug 13, 2018, at 3:26 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > First, as far as the definitions are concerned and as far as I > can tell, where a term appeared in RFC 7719 and the definition > has been changed, almost every change is for the better. The > authors and WG are t

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (DNS Terminology) to Best Current Practice

2018-08-13 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:26 PM, John C Klensin wrote: > > the string 128.0.0.1, is a domain name Yes, it is the presentation form of the domain name whose list of labels is: "128", "0", "0", "1". There is of course no TLD named "1", so this domain is not registered, and it would also not be a us

Re: [DNSOP] Last Call: (DNS Terminology) to Best Current Practice

2018-08-13 Thread John C Klensin
IESG and others, Unfortunately and due to some other priorities, I have not been able to do a comprehensive review of this document. The following is based on reading through and trying to get an understanding of this rather long document and its many definitions, some of which are, as the docume

Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread Brian Dickson
> > > Another limitation I've mentioned before, where DNSSEC doesn't protect you, > is that a delegation could be falsified such that traffic goes to an > eavesdropper that just records but doesn't modify messages. > > but on most networks you connect to that you don't trust, they could > just be

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread Edward Lewis
On 8/13/18, 13:35, "John R Levine" wrote: >Hey, I have a great idea. We could make sure that the zone file received >matches the zone file sent by including a hash of the zonee in a record in the >zone. Whaddaya think? In some sense, it's re-inventing the wheel. >I realize you coul

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread John R Levine
but the obvious consumer is a DNS server. Maybe, maybe not. I've seen DNS used in turnkey ways. Nevertheless, given the complexity of DNSSEC validation, a wise implementer should re-use the parts of a DNS server for this. If the question is whether one might use this to create a kludge and

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread Edward Lewis
On 8/13/18, 11:50, "John Levine" wrote: >As we may have mentioned once or twice before in this discussion, it lets you >do zone transfers over insecure channels and batch verify the zone before >using it. Yes, I see that. As in no more argument is needed to convince me of that. >but the obvi

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018, Edward Lewis wrote: On 8/11/18, 10:44, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" wrote: The way that ZONEMD is defined in the draft, it's not very useful if the ZONEMD record isn't signed. That's my read too, which is why I question the incremental benefit over relying on DNSSE

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread John Levine
In article <7223eeb4-57a4-4c54-8c62-631b5fbee...@icann.org>, Edward Lewis wrote: >On 8/11/18, 10:44, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" wrote: > >>The way that ZONEMD is defined in the draft, it's not very useful if the >>ZONEMD record isn't signed. > >That's my read too, which is why I question t

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-terminology-bis-12.txt

2018-08-13 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Terminology Authors : Paul Hoffman Andrew Sullivan

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Comments on draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-02

2018-08-13 Thread Edward Lewis
On 8/11/18, 10:44, "DNSOP on behalf of John Levine" wrote: >The way that ZONEMD is defined in the draft, it's not very useful if the >ZONEMD record isn't signed. That's my read too, which is why I question the incremental benefit over relying on DNSSEC while doing the query/response over port 5