[DNSOP] RFC 8198 on Aggressive Use of DNSSEC-Validated Cache

2017-07-25 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8198 Title: Aggressive Use of DNSSEC-Validated Cache Author: K. Fujiwara, A. Kato, W. Kumari Status: Standards Track Str

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Barry Raveendran Greene
The irony to the privacy and client-id discussion is that we have another “DNS Privacy” WG which gives me wonderful ID from the crypto termination on the resolver. The reality with client ID is just like RPZ adoption. Operators need flexibility to face reality. If the DNSOP’s choice is to not

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread George Michaelson
my next draft will definitely include "I'd like to thank Mark Andrews for hitting me with a cluestick repeatedly WAIT WAIT WHY IS THE ORCHESTRA STARTING OH MAN" On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Mark Andrews wrote: > > In message > , George > Michaelson writ > es: >> read, support adopt

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , George Michaelson writ es: > read, support adoption. > > suggest that favourite band sections be marked 'RFC-ED REMOVE' because > the last time somebody thanked their mother, the backing band, their > agent, the producers, the other candidates for award... it wound up on > the ietf

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread George Michaelson
read, support adoption. suggest that favourite band sections be marked 'RFC-ED REMOVE' because the last time somebody thanked their mother, the backing band, their agent, the producers, the other candidates for award... it wound up on the ietf list and we don't want to go there. I am unsure about

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any: points from 神明達哉

2017-07-25 Thread Joe Abley
JINMEI-san, all, With reference to: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/zy86pvg139PaKFXo-BO6SPUfh3k > I've reviewed the 04 version. I still do not think it's ready to move > forward as it still abuses HINFO. I understand some other people > don't care about this point, and some other

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any: points from Petr Špaček

2017-07-25 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Petr, all, With reference to: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/lZDnD1kCZQ1Zvm0YF6wbWtg > 1. The casse QTYPE=RRSIG should be made more prominent so it is > understood and not misused as ANY. There are implementations like Knot > Resolver which are work around missing RRSIG rec

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any: points from Stephane Bortzmeyer

2017-07-25 Thread Joe Abley
Salut Stephane, tout le monde, With reference to: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dnsop/wwQV0yUMdx1mwO8ig9UyNbMMMWI > My personal nits, only editorial: > > > "ANY Query" refers to a DNS meta-query > > meta-query is not defined in this document, in RFC 1034, 1035 or > 7719. Opinion: jus

[DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-refuse-any: points from Richard Gibson

2017-07-25 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Richard, all, I foolishly allowed Tim to pay for lunch and therefore have been tricked into doing actual work. There are a couple more of these inbound to the list, one for each of the e-mails containing points that were found not to have been addressed in -04. My goal is to identify some ki

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Robert Edmonds
Paul Vixie wrote: > Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Paul Vixie wrote: > > > > > users believe that the recursive name server operator has aligned > > > interests, and for that reason one shouldn't say "it's easy to bypass" > > > but rather "end-user cooperation is required." > > > >

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread Peter DeVries
I have read the draft and support adoption. I plan to review and contribute. Peter On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:04 PM, tjw ietf wrote: > This draft was the only one which seemed to have broad support in some > form during the meeting last week. > > This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-wkuma

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Paul Vixie
Paul Wouters wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Paul Vixie wrote: users believe that the recursive name server operator has aligned interests, and for that reason one shouldn't say "it's easy to bypass" but rather "end-user cooperation is required." So if 8.8.8.8 and your local ISP's nameserver do

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread Carlos M. Martinez
I also support adoption. Current SERVFAIL messaging provides too little information for interested parties and makes debugging problems difficult. On 25 Jul 2017, at 15:29, Bob Harold wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:04 PM, tjw ietf wrote: This draft was the only one which seemed to have b

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
On 07/25/2017 01:07 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: > i think content blocking is a reach -- in your interpretation. > > this is about CDN. as in, how to decide which address record set to > give a dns client, given that all you know is the recursive server > address, yet you're trying to implement policy fo

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread Bob Harold
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 12:04 PM, tjw ietf wrote: > This draft was the only one which seemed to have broad support in some > form during the meeting last week. > > This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error > > The draft is available here: > https://tools.ietf.org/html

[DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error in state "Call For Adoption By WG Issued"

2017-07-25 Thread IETF Secretariat
The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error in state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Tim Wicinski) The document was previously in state Candidate for WG Adoption The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error/ _

[DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error

2017-07-25 Thread tjw ietf
This draft was the only one which seemed to have broad support in some form during the meeting last week. This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error The draft is available here: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error-02 Please review this draft

[DNSOP] The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error in state "Candidate for WG Adoption"

2017-07-25 Thread IETF Secretariat
The DNSOP WG has placed draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Tim Wicinski) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wkumari-dnsop-extended-error/ ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Barry Raveendran Greene
> On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > I don't believe the goal of the draft is to enable filtering. The goal of the draft is to provide options. How those options are deployed is between the customer and the operator as defined by their contract. signature.asc Descr

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
darn, I keep reading 'client-id' as 'client subnet' :( back in my hole I go. On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > >> On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Christopher Morrow >> wrote: >> >> and at the cache->auth layer it's

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Christopher Morrow
On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 5:55 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: > On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > and at the cache->auth layer it's potentially the case that the provider > can say: "use precision of /24" or "use precision of /17" ? So, there's > really not much "pii" that can be

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > and at the cache->auth layer it's potentially the case that the provider can > say: "use precision of /24" or "use precision of /17" ? So, there's really > not much "pii" that can be worried over at the provider-cache-resolver (they > alr

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017, Paul Vixie wrote: users believe that the recursive name server operator has aligned interests, and for that reason one shouldn't say "it's easy to bypass" but rather "end-user cooperation is required." So if 8.8.8.8 and your local ISP's nameserver do this to track you, wh

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Paul Vixie
Jacob Hoffman-Andrews wrote: I agree: The EDN0 Client ID draft seems quite bad from a privacy perspective, and I believe it should not be adopted. More broadly, enforcing content blocks with DNS is an anti-pattern. If we're assuming that the entity doing the content blocking has administrative

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Jacob Hoffman-Andrews
I agree: The EDN0 Client ID draft seems quite bad from a privacy perspective, and I believe it should not be adopted. More broadly, enforcing content blocks with DNS is an anti-pattern. If we're assuming that the entity doing the content blocking has administrative access to DNS clients, they can

Re: [DNSOP] EDNS0 clientID is a wider-internet question

2017-07-25 Thread Paul Wouters
And then there are mobile phones with wifi and LTE tracking, already massively abused by AP's and companies like Apple are randomising macs. This draft is good for the ad business, not good for the enduser. Paul Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 25, 2017, at 02:59, Christopher Morrow wrote: > >