Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 10 Mar 2017, at 12:38, Dave Lawrence wrote: Paul Hoffman writes: Is there a community of zone admins who want this so much that they won't start signing until it exists? I think that question is a little extreme and need not go that far to determine whether something is worthwhile to pursu

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Dave Lawrence
Paul Hoffman writes: > Is there a community of zone admins who want this so much that they > won't start signing until it exists? I think that question is a little extreme and need not go that far to determine whether something is worthwhile to pursue. My interest in NSEC5 is largely around the

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Jim Reid
> On 10 Mar 2017, at 18:33, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > > Shhh. don't confuse with facts. Presumably those are Trump-flavoured alternative facts? :-) ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

[DNSOP] Opt-in, zone enumeration and dnsext history

2017-03-10 Thread Jim Reid
> On 10 Mar 2017, at 18:30, Frederico A C Neves wrote: > > I know others have already stated this but zone enumeration, at least > at that time, was never the real reason for NSEC3, size of signing > zones with mostly unsigned delegations was. This was only needed > because of the wg lack of man

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Shhh. don't confuse with facts. On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Frederico A C Neves wrote: > On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 01:15:42PM -0500, Shumon Huque wrote: > ... > > > > Apparently there are many folks in the community who think so, otherwise > > NSEC3 would not have been developed. I personally

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Frederico A C Neves
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 01:15:42PM -0500, Shumon Huque wrote: ... > > Apparently there are many folks in the community who think so, otherwise > NSEC3 would not have been developed. I personally don't care for any zones I know others have already stated this but zone enumeration, at least at that

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Shumon Huque
Here are some of my arguments in support of NSEC5. I would like to see us deploy an authenticated denial of existence mechanism that is not eminently susceptible to offline dictionary attack. My experience so far is that most people in the crypto community do not look favorably on NSEC3. Not just

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Warren Kumari
Especially with the prevalence of passive DNS services, I believe that publishing something in the DNS makes it "public" - sure, you can hide some things behind split-DNS, but putting `super-skrit-key.exmaple.com IN 600 TXT "Hunter3"` is guaranteed to end poorly. NSEC5 has some very cute tricks, b

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 03:16:05PM +, Woodworth, John R wrote: > > Is there a community of zone admins who want this so much that they > > won't start signing until it exists? > > With the draft's aliasing of algorithms, why couldn't (wouldn't) a zone > at least experimenting with this be able

[DNSOP] RFC 8078 on Managing DS Records from the Parent via CDS/CDNSKEY

2017-03-10 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8078 Title: Managing DS Records from the Parent via CDS/CDNSKEY Author: O. Gudmundsson, P. Wouters Status: Standards Track Stream: IETF

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-03-10 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/10/2017 5:07 AM, Warren Kumari wrote: Once a document becomes a WG document the authors are required to incorporate WG consensus. If this does not / is not happening, the chairs have the option / responsibility to replace the authors with ones that do... W On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:27 PM,

Re: [DNSOP] Updated NSEC5 protocol spec and paper

2017-03-10 Thread Woodworth, John R
> -Original Message- > From: DNSOP [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman > > On 7 Mar 2017, at 7:29, Shumon Huque wrote: > > > We've requested an agenda slot at the DNSOP working group meeting at > > IETF98 to talk about the NSEC5 protocol. Our chairs have requested > >

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Call for Adoption draft-vixie-dns-rpz

2017-03-10 Thread Warren Kumari
Once a document becomes a WG document the authors are required to incorporate WG consensus. If this does not / is not happening, the chairs have the option / responsibility to replace the authors with ones that do... W On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > >> On Mar 9, 2017, a