Re: [DNSOP] Renumbering and glue record updates

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <55e63378.3010...@mirix.org>, Matthias-Christian Ott writes: > Since 6renum is concluded I thought this WG could most likely help to > address the following problem: > > If the IPv6 network of an authoritative nameserver is renumbered and the > parent zones of zones that are served by

[DNSOP] Ben Campbell's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: (with COMMENT)

2015-09-01 Thread Ben Campbell
Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://ww

[DNSOP] Renumbering and glue record updates

2015-09-01 Thread Matthias-Christian Ott
Since 6renum is concluded I thought this WG could most likely help to address the following problem: If the IPv6 network of an authoritative nameserver is renumbered and the parent zones of zones that are served by the nameserver contain glue records for the nameserver, the glue records need to be

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 09/01/2015 07:39 PM, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > Tor doesn't leak .onions > > If the name is reserved and the process is followed, we'll hopefully > be able to stop most of the leakage in the DNS. > One clear example that was documented earlier

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Sep 1, 2015, at 6:06 PM, John R Levine wrote: > That's what I said. "It's more work than we were willing to do" is a > reasonable criterion, but it's not the same as "it's impossible". I think it’s "fixing this would involve pervasively fixing a wide range of software we didn’t write and do

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 9/1/15, John R Levine wrote: > Speaking of which ... > >> It is a critical flaw that fails open. The DNS continues to work but >> users are put into harm's way. ... > >>> Also please keep in mind that we're having this discussion because of >>> design tradeoffs in the implementation of Tor. If

Re: [DNSOP] reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , "Joe Abley" writ es: > > > On 1 Sep 2015, at 11:45, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > > > In my view and the DNS has a critical flaw: it does not provide query > > privacy. > > You're on the wrong list. The people working on DNS privacy are over at > DPRIVE. For the problem statement, se

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread John R Levine
Speaking of which ... It is a critical flaw that fails open. The DNS continues to work but users are put into harm's way. ... Also please keep in mind that we're having this discussion because of design tradeoffs in the implementation of Tor. If they'd made onion a URI scheme rather than a p

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread John R Levine
I'm aware of the context, I'm a co-author of the RFC in question. The solution you present is not practical for integration across most programs without huge modifications to nearly every program. That's what I said. "It's more work than we were willing to do" is a reasonable criterion, but it

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 9/1/15, John R Levine wrote: >>> Please do not put words in my mouth. They're important but they're not >>> a >>> DNS problem. >> >> I think reasonable people might disagree? > > Not really. It's a layering issue. It is a design flaw from an era when fax machines roamed the earth. >> In my

Re: [DNSOP] a long way from reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread John R Levine
Please do not put words in my mouth. They're important but they're not a DNS problem. I think reasonable people might disagree? Not really. It's a layering issue. In my view and the DNS has a critical flaw: it does not provide query privacy. It can't be a critical flaw -- if it were we'd

Re: [DNSOP] reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1 Sep 2015, at 11:45, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: In my view and the DNS has a critical flaw: it does not provide query privacy. You're on the wrong list. The people working on DNS privacy are over at DPRIVE. For the problem statement, see RFC 7626, recently published. Joe ___

Re: [DNSOP] reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
On 9/1/15, John R Levine wrote: >>> In any event, from the point of the DNS, a reservation that just says >>> don't resolve .onion would be quite adequate. >> >> You may consider the privacy leakage issues of no consequence. Others do >> not. > > Please do not put words in my mouth. They're

Re: [DNSOP] reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread John R Levine
In any event, from the point of the DNS, a reservation that just says don't resolve .onion would be quite adequate. You may consider the privacy leakage issues of no consequence. Others do not. Please do not put words in my mouth. They're important but they're not a DNS problem. R

Re: [DNSOP] reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread David Cake
> On 1 Sep 2015, at 10:35 pm, John Levine wrote: > >> This is a language quibble. I said ICANN had no mechanisms for >> specifying how a domain should be handled, and I would think a SHOULD >> specification is exactly that in formal language. > > ICANN has vast sets of rules about how GTLDs are

Re: [DNSOP] reservations on reservations, was Barry Leiba's Abstain

2015-09-01 Thread John Levine
>This is a language quibble. I said ICANN had no mechanisms for >specifying how a domain should be handled, and I would think a SHOULD >specification is exactly that in formal language. ICANN has vast sets of rules about how GTLDs are handled at the server end. They have rules about DNSSEC and ab