Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread str4d
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Edward Lewis wrote: > On 7/1/15, 14:26, "Richard Barnes" wrote: > >> We do our best work when we do engineering, not rule-making. >> Let's engineer a solution here that's more appealing than >> squatting. For my money, alt-TLD looks about right. >

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-cookies-04.txt

2015-07-01 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : Domain Name System (DNS) Cookies Authors : Donald E. Eastlake

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Hi Ed, On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 12:26:43PM +, Edward Lewis wrote: > I'm sympathetic to the use the path of least resistance - e.g., use names > that syntactically are DNS names I note that the Subject: line of your note still contains a vestigial reference to the thread I started recently on t

Re: [DNSOP] Simplified Updates of DNS Security Trust Anchors, for rolling the root key

2015-07-01 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Warren Kumari wrote: I have been planning to write a draft to address 1 by having validators send the DS of known TA's in an edns0 option code. This info, could then be logged by the authoritative nameservers. Inserting it in edns0 implies (I think) that all of the queries

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Warren Kumari
... and this was only intended to go to Richard and Ed, not waste the entire WGs time with my bizarre imaginings... W On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: >>> On 7/1/1

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Richard Barnes wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: >> On 7/1/15, 14:26, "Richard Barnes" wrote: >> >>>We do our best work when we do engineering, not rule-making. Let's >>>engineer a solution here that's more appealing than squatting. Fo

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread John Levine
>+many to what Warren says. > >We do our best work when we do engineering, not rule-making. Let's >engineer a solution here that's more appealing than squatting. For my >money, alt-TLD looks about right. I agree. On the other hand, since we are not the tsars of the Internet, it is fairly likely

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Richard Barnes
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Edward Lewis wrote: > On 7/1/15, 14:26, "Richard Barnes" wrote: > >>We do our best work when we do engineering, not rule-making. Let's >>engineer a solution here that's more appealing than squatting. For my >>money, alt-TLD looks about right. > > How does that he

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Edward Lewis
On 7/1/15, 14:26, "Richard Barnes" wrote: >We do our best work when we do engineering, not rule-making. Let's >engineer a solution here that's more appealing than squatting. For my >money, alt-TLD looks about right. How does that help this: >>On 7/1/15, 1:47, st...@i2pmail.org wrote:

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Richard Barnes
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Warren Kumari wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Suzanne Woolf wrote: >> Ed, >> >> First-- apologies for the misunderstanding. >> >> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: >>> >>> Trying to be more clear, I have in the past imagined that today some

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > Ed, > > First-- apologies for the misunderstanding. > > On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: >> >> Trying to be more clear, I have in the past imagined that today someone is >> inventing a new communications technology, in 6 month

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-cookies-03.txt

2015-07-01 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : Domain Name System (DNS) Cookies Authors : Donald E. Eastlake

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Joe Abley
On 1 Jul 2015, at 10:08, Suzanne Woolf wrote: First-- apologies for the misunderstanding. It seems appropriate for someone at this point to make a joke about onion leaving a bad taste in the mouth. But not me. I'm not that guy. Joe ___ DNSOP mai

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Edward Lewis
On 7/1/15, 10:08, "Suzanne Woolf" wrote: > >But I don't think it's impossible that we'll be able to provide guidance, >such that developers who follow it are reasonably sure of avoiding the >various types of collisions and ambiguities we're concerned about-- and >such that there's a clear basis fo

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance-02.txt

2015-07-01 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
> On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:31 AM, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > > Thanks Olafur. The Workign Group should discuss this as it was originally > planned to go into a Working Group Last Call. It can still be taken in this > direction. > > tim > > Tim We request a WGLC on the document Olafur

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Ed, First-- apologies for the misunderstanding. On Jul 1, 2015, at 9:53 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: > > Trying to be more clear, I have in the past imagined that today someone is > inventing a new communications technology, in 6 months will need to cobble > an identifier space and in 2 years the IE

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance-02.txt

2015-07-01 Thread Tim Wicinski
Thanks Olafur. The Workign Group should discuss this as it was originally planned to go into a Working Group Last Call. It can still be taken in this direction. tim On 7/1/15 8:52 AM, Olafur Gudmundsson wrote: This version is a final version from the editors. We explicitly punt on explai

Re: [DNSOP] Want to join the IETF 93 Hackathon to work on DNSSEC, DANE or DNS Privacy?

2015-07-01 Thread Wiley, Glen
Dan, This looks as though it will be a really interesting exercise. I will be there in spirit (and in corporeal form Sunday afternoon). -- Glen Wiley Principal Engineer Verisign, Inc. (571) 230-7917 http://vbsdcon.com A5E5 E373 3C75 5B3E 2E24 6A0F DC65 2354 9946 C63A From: Dan York mailto:y..

Re: [DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Suzanne Woolf
(no hats, for the moment) Ed, It seems to me that this is exactly the issue: we've already had multiple drafts requesting new entries in the special use names registry, and expect more. Your note sounds as if you're fairly sanguine about "a stream of unpredictable requests"; however, based on

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance-02.txt

2015-07-01 Thread Olafur Gudmundsson
This version is a final version from the editors. We explicitly punt on explaining how to overcome the situation when a ´proxy/forwarder’ “randomly” sends queries to Resolvers with different capabilities. Olafur > On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:49 AM, internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: > > > A New Inter

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-roadblock-avoidance-02.txt

2015-07-01 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations Working Group of the IETF. Title : DNSSEC Roadblock Avoidance Authors : Wes Hardaker Olafur

[DNSOP] More after onion? was Re: Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread Edward Lewis
On 7/1/15, 1:47, "DNSOP on behalf of str4d" wrote: >.onion and .i2p (and to my knowledge, the other proposed P2P-Names >TLDs too) have to conform to DNS rules in order to be usable in legacy >applications that expect domain names. I'd been told that "onion." was a one-time thing, that in the futu

[DNSOP] Want to join the IETF 93 Hackathon to work on DNSSEC, DANE or DNS Privacy?

2015-07-01 Thread Dan York
DNSOP participants, Will you be in Prague on the weekend before IETF 93? (Or could you get there?) A number of us will be involved with the hackathon happening on Saturday and Sunday: https://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/93hackathon Our intent is to work on some tools/services r

Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request

2015-07-01 Thread str4d
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:43:42AM +, Edward Lewis wrote: >> I'm not aware of "the rule" that declares Onion names as part of >> the domain name space. Not an argument, just a data point. I've >> always heard, and have