Re: [DNSOP] bar-bof - DSauto?

2010-03-03 Thread bmanning
> I'm on the verge of putting together a Bar BoF call on the IETF list. > There have been two work items I wanted to cover - EPPbis and the > issue of provisioning DS records. re: registries not at the IETF... if there is some general idea for collecting registry requirement

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Alfred Hönes
To avoid further confusion on who said ... ... The last message was from Jaap Akkerhuis, who said: > > Oops, apparently Alfred said so. But who sais what is irrelevat on the > discussion. The oint I was making is that there should not be a fixed > aministrative model. > > jaap However, I di

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , "Stephan Lagerholm" writes: > > > From: Jay Daley [mailto:j...@nzrs.net.nz] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:54 PM > > To: Stephan Lagerholm > > Cc: Alex Bligh; Jaap Akkerhuis; matth...@nlnetlabs.nl; > > bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com; Edward Lewis; Wolfgang Nagele; > > dnsop@ie

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 11:28:36AM +0100, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > > Antoin says: > So there's one more logical entity involved; most likely this way: > > jaap > ___ did i miss something? Anto

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread John Dickinson
On Mar 3, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Stephan Lagerholm wrote: From: Jay Daley [mailto:j...@nzrs.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:54 PM To: Stephan Lagerholm Cc: Alex Bligh; Jaap Akkerhuis; matth...@nlnetlabs.nl; bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com; Edward Lewis; Wolfgang Nagele; dnsop@ietf.org Subj

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Jay Daley
On 4/03/2010, at 8:50 AM, Stephan Lagerholm wrote: > Correct, but I have a hard time seeing that the loosing registrar would > be that helpful. It is more realistic to think that they could provide > access to the private key for their hosted customer. And in that case > the key can not be shared

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Stephan Lagerholm
> From: Jay Daley [mailto:j...@nzrs.net.nz] > Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:54 PM > To: Stephan Lagerholm > Cc: Alex Bligh; Jaap Akkerhuis; matth...@nlnetlabs.nl; > bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com; Edward Lewis; Wolfgang Nagele; > dnsop@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS reco

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Alfred Hönes
> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 11:28:36AM +0100, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: >> >> Antoin says: >> So there's one more logical entity involved; most likely this way: >> >> jaap >> ___ > > did i miss something? Antoin sez that where? That's bee

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Jay Daley
On 4/03/2010, at 8:27 AM, Stephan Lagerholm wrote: > Bad idea, what happens when one customer would like to move his domain > from your name server to another name server. Do you give him your > mega-key or do you tell him to break his chain of trust during the move? If those were the only two ch

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Stephan Lagerholm
> In your example above I personally would only use one set of keys for all > those domains, it would make my life so much easier. I suspect some DNS > providers will similarly share keys across their customers (or per server) > if they know they can control generation of RRs. Bad idea, what happ

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Jay Daley
Hi Alex On 3/03/2010, at 8:46 PM, Alex Bligh wrote: >> I'm sure we could and an automated update of DS records is a good idea. >> But my point is that in the absence of a similar automated mechanism for >> NS records we use cut and paste and it works fine and there is nothing >> about DS records

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 11:28:36AM +0100, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote: > > Antoin says: > So there's one more logical entity involved; most likely this way: > > jaap > ___ did i miss something? Antoin sez that where? --bill __

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread jad
On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:24 PM, Tony Finch wrote: On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Jay Daley wrote: But my point is that in the absence of a similar automated mechanism for NS records we use cut and paste and it works fine No it doesn't. Delegations are frequently partially broken. It would be a waste

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Doug Barton wrote: > > Throwing in some more bullet points: > 1. There MUST be an OOB (where the B is DNS) channel for initial zone > configuration, contact info changes, etc. > 2. This channel already exists for Registrant/Admin/Billing/Technical > contact info, name servers, e

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Tony Finch
On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Edward Lewis wrote: > > If you want to just get the DS from the child's servers to the parent's > machines, we already have queries/responses and can secure that with TSIG or > SIG(0). What is there to solve? What are the traps and pitfalls? What are the timing requirements?

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Tony Finch
On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Jay Daley wrote: > > But my point is that in the absence of a similar automated mechanism for > NS records we use cut and paste and it works fine No it doesn't. Delegations are frequently partially broken. It would be a wasted opportunity to automate DS maintenance without auto

Re: [DNSOP] automatic update of DS records

2010-03-03 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
Antoin says: So there's one more logical entity involved; most likely this way: vvv v dns_op(parent)-registry-registrar-reseller-registrant-dns_op(child) The dns_op(child) might alternatively have a direc