Re: [DNSOP] DS vs DNSKEY trust anchors, was Re: Truncation...

2009-03-11 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 12.03.2009, at 01:10, Joe Baptista wrote: You poor souls. The DNSSEC monster is vast and complex. So much easier just to fix the problem instead of this endless gibberish. It's so complex it's funny when you consider a simple solution like DNSCURVE -http://dnscurve.org/ - and s

Re: [DNSOP] RFC1035 and permitted characters in labels

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <558a39a60903110907i6edad88dye59293cbac951...@mail.gmail.com>, James Seng writes: > Agreed :) > > DNS is suppose to be 8-bit clean as according to RFC 1035. No it is supposed to be nearly 8 bit clean. :-) > But taken in context with that recommended section in RFC 1035, toge

Re: [DNSOP] DS vs DNSKEY trust anchors, was Re: Truncation...

2009-03-11 Thread Joe Baptista
You poor souls. The DNSSEC monster is vast and complex. So much easier just to fix the problem instead of this endless gibberish. It's so complex it's funny when you consider a simple solution like DNSCURVE - http://dnscurve.org/ - and so much more secure. No man in the middle issues. Oh well

Re: [DNSOP] DS vs DNSKEY trust anchors, was Re: Truncation...

2009-03-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In message , Edward Lewis writes: > At 8:19 +1100 3/11/09, Mark Andrews wrote: > >In message , Edward Lewis writes: > > >> record involves less typing than a DNSKEY, I'd want to work with a DS > >> record. > > > > Has anyone on this list ever typed in a DNSKEY or DS as a > > trust ancho

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] New Version Notification for draft-mcgrew-tss-02 (fwd)

2009-03-11 Thread David McGrew
Hi Mike, Hi Alfred - A better scheme for threshold signing for the root might be the Shoup paper: "Practical Threshold Signatures", Victor Shoup (s...@zurich.ibm.com ), IBM Research Paper RZ3121, 4/30/99 The major difference between the two is that the Shamir system (which you describe) requ

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] New Version Notification for draft-mcgrew-tss-02 (fwd)

2009-03-11 Thread Michael StJohns
At 06:27 PM 3/11/2009, David McGrew wrote: >Hi Mike, >>Hi Alfred - >>A better scheme for threshold signing for the root might be the >>Shoup paper: "Practical Threshold Signatures", Victor Shoup >>(s...@zurich.ibm.com ), IBM Research Paper RZ3121, 4/30/99 >>The major difference between the two i

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Vint Cerf
Eric, et al, I think it wise to move the discussion to dnsops and to remove from idna-update, please, as has been suggested earlier. IDNAbis does not deal with labels in a way that distinguishes TLDs from any other label position in a domain name. Vint Vint Cerf Google 1818 Library St

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
Sure. Vint Cerf wrote: Eric, et al, I think it wise to move the discussion to dnsops and to remove from idna-update, please, as has been suggested earlier. IDNAbis does not deal with labels in a way that distinguishes TLDs from any other label position in a domain name. Vint Vint Ce

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
internet-dra...@ietf.org wrote: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. Title : Top Level Domain Name Specification Author(s) : L. Liman Filename: draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt Pages : 9

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread James Seng
> The DISCUSSION portion of 2.1 is explaining why relaxing RFC 952's > restriction is safe.  The safety flows exclusively from the premise > that the highest-level component label of a domain name "will be > alphabetic"; this guarantees that a syntactic check for an IP address > will fail due to at

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:44:54PM +0800, James Seng wrote: > > > ::= [ [ ] ] > > ... > > ::= any one of the 52 alphabetic characters A through Z in > upper case and a through z in lower case Selective quoting can prove anything. Immediately prior to that section, RFC 1035 says

Re: [DNSOP] RFC1035 and permitted characters in labels

2009-03-11 Thread James Seng
Agreed :) DNS is suppose to be 8-bit clean as according to RFC 1035. But taken in context with that recommended section in RFC 1035, together with RFC 952, many legacy implementation already assumed DNS must be LDH. By the time RFC 2181 comes along, it was too late. This was one of the reasons wh

[DNSOP] RFC1035 and permitted characters in labels

2009-03-11 Thread Jim Reid
On Mar 11, 2009, at 15:44, James Seng wrote: ::= [ [ ] ] ... ::= any one of the 52 alphabetic characters A through Z in upper case and a through z in lower case Er, that's in Section 2.3.1: Preferred Name Syntax which says before the BNF: "The following syntax will result in fewer p

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread James Seng
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:56:10PM +0800, James Seng wrote: >> By the same logic, the whole IDN would be pointless because RFC 1035 >> restrict labels to "alphabetic letter" only. > > I'd like the reference to where 1035 says that, please.

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:56:10PM +0800, James Seng wrote: > By the same logic, the whole IDN would be pointless because RFC 1035 > restrict labels to "alphabetic letter" only. I'd like the reference to where 1035 says that, please. In particular, the following passage in §3.1 of RFC 1035 seems

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:56:10PM +0800, James Seng wrote a message of 4 lines which said: > By the same logic, the whole IDN would be pointless because RFC > 1035restrict labels to "alphabetic letter" only. I assume you're playing the devil's advocate? Because I believe that all dnsop membe

[DNSOP] DS vs DNSKEY trust anchors, was Re: Truncation...

2009-03-11 Thread Edward Lewis
At 8:19 +1100 3/11/09, Mark Andrews wrote: In message , Edward Lewis writes: record involves less typing than a DNSKEY, I'd want to work with a DS record. Has anyone on this list ever typed in a DNSKEY or DS as a trust anchor? I would presume that most (99.%) people

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread James Seng
By the same logic, the whole IDN would be pointless because RFC 1035 restrict labels to "alphabetic letter" only. IDNA transform IDN labels into punycode so that it become transparent to the resolvers who made those assumption. -James Seng > I think this is what's up for dispute.  If people have

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 11 mar 2009, at 15.08, Matt Larson wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009, Patrik Fltstrm wrote: Will there also be a problem with digits within a label? "Probably not", but I rather see a generic good definition of "the gray area" and who is responsible for arguing (I an not saying proving here) whethe

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Matt Larson
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009, Patrik Fltstrm wrote: > Will there also be a problem with digits within a label? "Probably > not", but I rather see a generic good definition of "the gray area" > and who is responsible for arguing (I an not saying proving here) > whether something is "ok to delegate" or not, a

Re: [DNSOP] Some second-hand remarks on draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-11 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 10:27:21AM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > recollection of one specific person. The "alphabetic-only" rule in RFC > 1123 is just a side note, never detailed, and presented as a fact > (which it was at this time), not as a mandatory restriction. I don't know whether I a

Re: [DNSOP] Truncation discussion in draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-trust-anchor-02

2009-03-11 Thread Ray . Bellis
> I have to agree with that, except that you probably need more 9's. Oh, I don't know about that. Three 9's should be more than enough accuracy to describe the set of people who've ever put a DS or DNSKEY record in their zone files ;-) Ray ___ DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] New Version Notification for draft-mcgrew-tss-02 (fwd)

2009-03-11 Thread Michael StJohns
I've got one. I modified an implementation of Shoup by Steve Weis which does raw RSA sigs to do PKCS1-v1.5 RSA signatures and from those to do DNSSEC signing. It allows the generation and wrapping of shares under remotely generated public keys - e.g. share holder public keys. When signatures