Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On lördag, lördag 7 mar 2009 16.32.07 -1000 David Conrad wrote: > On Mar 7, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: >> Does not ISO3166 solve that problem for us with regards to allowed >> characters in the TLD label? > > Nope. ISO-3166 merely defines the list IANA uses when an entity on the >

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread David Conrad
On Mar 7, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Måns Nilsson wrote: Does not ISO3166 solve that problem for us with regards to allowed characters in the TLD label? Nope. ISO-3166 merely defines the list IANA uses when an entity on the ISO-3166 list requests the delegation of a top-level domain. ISO-3166 is ir

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On lördag, lördag 7 mar 2009 10.04.30 -1000 David Conrad wrote: >> Without knowing the policy for the 2nd level domain, I think it is >> very hard to say whether a given TLD level is safe or not. > > Unfortunately, as you're aware, policy at the second level varies over > time and there are

Re: [DNSOP] draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Peter Koch
SM wrote: > The topic discussed in draft-liman-tld-names-00 has two angles, the > application angle and the DNS angle. The "requirements" can be > different depending on which angle we are looking at. From Section > 11 of RFC 2181: I'd like to support this distinction and would suggest we

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 7 mar 2009, at 21.04, David Conrad wrote: On Mar 7, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: The problem with writing exact objective rules is that with the 6000 languages, and enormous number of codepoints, it is extremely hard to create say a regular expression that we know is _absol

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread David Conrad
Patrik, On Mar 7, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: The problem with writing exact objective rules is that with the 6000 languages, and enormous number of codepoints, it is extremely hard to create say a regular expression that we know is _absolutely_ correct regarding separating th

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 7 mar 2009, at 18.14, David Conrad wrote: On Mar 7, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: If you want a TLD, you tell me that you will not create any harm. You do, you get the domain, things go poof, then you did not do your homework beforehand. So, just to be clear, you would disa

Re: [DNSOP] draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread SM
At 07:01 07-03-2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: I'm not sure I understand the worry here: the document reads perfectly clearly, to my eyes, that other organizations may have something to say about actual TLDs; the draft is only about the _technical_ specification of what may be in the TLD. I don't

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 12:07 PM +0100 3/7/09, Patrik Fältström wrote: >I think regarding digits in TLDs (or rather, non-letters), this is the right >time when one definitely should have the basic rule to not "add something >until it breaks", but instead, "only add things we do know will not create any >harm". Yes,

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread David Conrad
Patrik, On Mar 7, 2009, at 5:33 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: If you want a TLD, you tell me that you will not create any harm. You do, you get the domain, things go poof, then you did not do your homework beforehand. So, just to be clear, you would disallow new top-level domains unless you

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
> does this mean my chances for ^B. are nil? :) Go for it! I claim ^S jaap ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 7 mar 2009, at 16.25, David Conrad wrote: Define "harm". Here is a link to one of the blog pages of mine that show in a filesystem what I think is "harm" if we allow mix of codepoints etc that give same result(s) for domain names. http://stupid.domain.name/node/681 I claim that is "

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 7 mar 2009, at 16.25, David Conrad wrote: On Mar 7, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: I think it is time to not have a general rule "lets add something if not proven that adding will create harm", but instead "lets add something only if proven that it absolutely not does create an

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread David Conrad
Patrik, On Mar 7, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Patrik Fältström wrote: I think it is time to not have a general rule "lets add something if not proven that adding will create harm", but instead "lets add something only if proven that it absolutely not does create any harm", and then have the people th

Re: [DNSOP] draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 10:58:58PM -0800, SM wrote: > The title of the document is "Top Level Domain Name Specification". If > it is about gTLDs, some may see this as a matter for some other > organization instead of the IETF. Section 4 of the draft requests IANA > to change its registration

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 7 mar 2009, at 15.31, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: na... the ^B. is for the visually impared. the DNS can talk! (and it does meet your "explict directionality" concern.) If you with ^B talk about U+0002, then it does not fulfil the explicit directionality requirements as it is B

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread bmanning
na... the ^B. is for the visually impared. the DNS can talk! (and it does meet your "explict directionality" concern.) actually, I have a fundamental disagreement w/ your logic. I think that your general rule of "only add if proven to create no harm" or infering "dangerous" - are on the sl

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 7 mar 2009, at 14.56, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: does this mean my chances for ^B. are nil? :) Go for it! But I think foo^H^H^Hbar is more interesting as a label. Maybe with a ^G in there as well. Patrik --bill On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Patrik Fdltst

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread bmanning
does this mean my chances for ^B. are nil? :) --bill On Sat, Mar 07, 2009 at 12:07:01PM +0100, Patrik Fdltstrvm wrote: > On 6 mar 2009, at 21.54, Edward Lewis wrote: > > >And, from what I have heard, I believe "display issues" is at the > >heart of the problem. > > > >I'm sure Patrik is ac

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action:draft-liman-tld-names-00.txt

2009-03-07 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 6 mar 2009, at 21.54, Edward Lewis wrote: And, from what I have heard, I believe "display issues" is at the heart of the problem. I'm sure Patrik is active in the IDNABIS WG. So if it is an issue, he'd have spoken about it. Yes, active there, following this list. Still, seriously, al

[DNSOP] RFC4641bis road trip: first stop

2009-03-07 Thread Olaf Kolkman
Lectori Salutem, draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc4641bis-01 has just been posted. I realize that this is not according to the rule to not submit 01 drafts shortly after a version 00 has been submitted and would understand if it would therefore not be able to feature the agenda. While draft-ietf-dns