Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Matthijs Mekking
Mark, On 11-03-15 05:39, Mark Andrews wrote: 2) Authoritative servers don't launch queries. >>> >>> Has NEVER been true. SOA/IXFR queries are done regularly by >>> authoritative servers. For over the last decade queries for >>> nameserver addresses have been done for NOTIFY. >> >> Okay, but

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <54ffe769.4020...@pletterpet.nl>, Matthijs Mekking writes: > Mark, > > On 11-03-15 05:39, Mark Andrews wrote: > 2) Authoritative servers don't launch queries. > >>> > >>> Has NEVER been true. SOA/IXFR queries are done regularly by > >>> authoritative servers. For over the last d

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Paul Vixie
Mark Andrews wrote: > In message <1fb3db93-eb08-4864-9d3c-e48da9fc5...@redbarn.org>, P Vixie writes: >> > Tsig won't scale for something like this. Please consider sig0. > > I've got no objection to sig(0) but why won't it scale? There is > a existing relationship so public key cyptography isn't

Re: [dns-operations] [DNSOP] dnsop-any-notimp violates the DNS standards

2015-03-11 Thread Tony Finch
Darcy Kevin (FCA) wrote: > Regarding the statement "query type ANY 'matches all RR types CURRENTLY > IN THE CACHE'." > > Actually, there's nothing in RFC 1034 that clearly *mandates* this > behavior It is sort-of specified in the algorithm in section 4.3.2 which says, 4. Start matching down

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Edward Lewis
On 3/11/15, 13:31, "Doug Barton" wrote: >Neither solves the problem of authenticating the entity which is sending >the DS update. Note that my request was not for a means to update the parent but to prevent the child from shooting themselves in the foot. A much less involved operation. Perhaps

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/11/15 11:11 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: On 3/11/15, 13:31, "Doug Barton" wrote: Neither solves the problem of authenticating the entity which is sending the DS update. Note that my request was not for a means to update the parent but to prevent the child from shooting themselves in the foot

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Edward Lewis
On 3/11/15, 14:19, "Doug Barton" wrote: >I think it would be Ok to put up a large, difficult to ignore warning >that the user is about to do something painfully stupid, sure. How much >farther than that to go is an exercise for the implementors. To go a little deeper into what I witnessed up clo

[dns-operations] Operations vs. the lab (Was: What would it take...)

2015-03-11 Thread Doug Barton
On 3/11/15 11:45 AM, Edward Lewis wrote: To sum up something - one thing I learned during my stints in operations - many of the assumptions held by protocol engineers and architects about how a protocol is put to work are far from reality. (Not that the engineers and architects are wrong in thei

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Rob Foehl
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015, Edward Lewis wrote: So, why can't the name server find the DS set, run a check and barf if there's a problem?  Barf - either refusing to load the zone or refusing to change the zone that is already running. Please - if there are more impediments, suggest them.  I may have

[dns-operations] introducing: dnsdist

2015-03-11 Thread bert hubert
Hi everybody, From our blog post just now, where we instroduced 'dnsdist' a smart DNS load balancing tool that is not PowerDNS specific. The project is very fresh, which is why we'd appreciate any input on useful features within our chosen niche. It has lots of Lua hooks to implement just about

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Tony Finch
Edward Lewis wrote: > > Note that my request was not for a means to update the parent but to > prevent the child from shooting themselves in the foot. A much less > involved operation. In this immediate case the problem was caused by a change of operator for the zone, and the registrar(s) failed

Re: [dns-operations] introducing: dnsdist

2015-03-11 Thread Tony Finch
bert hubert wrote: > > http://blog.powerdns.com/2015/03/11/introducing-dnsdist-dns-abuse-and-dos-aware-query-distribution-for-optimal-performance/ Thanks for linking to my notes about keepalived. I should perhaps have made it clearer that I am only using keepalived for failover, not for load bal

Re: [dns-operations] What would it take...

2015-03-11 Thread Edward Lewis
> On Mar 11, 2015, at 16:18, Rob Foehl wrote: > What about the case of bad data in the parent, regardless of where it lands > on the malice / stupidity scale? Loud warnings to this effect at zone > (re)load time would be one thing, but refusing to load the zone entirely > would mean the bro