Re: [dns-operations] windns-users list

2014-05-29 Thread Chris Dent
I would like the list details please (either privately or here depending on the consensus). Thanks, Chris On 29 May 2014 03:50, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > hi there > > Couple of friends who work on windows dns server software day to day > basis and also develop the windows dns software put togethe

[dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread hua peng
I found this is a valid RR: _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" But for A, CNAME, etc, the underline in hostname is invalid. Does this make a confusion? Thanks. ___

Re: [dns-operations] windns-users list

2014-05-29 Thread Joe Abley
On 29 May 2014, at 5:50, Mehmet Akcin wrote: > would it be ok to provide the list address here for interested parties to > join? Sounds like a great idea to me. Joe ___ dns-operations mailing list dns-operations@lists.dns-oarc.net https://lists.dns

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Randy Bush
> I found this is a valid RR: > _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 > include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" > But for A, CNAME, etc, the underline in hostname is invalid. > Does this make a confusion? no. next question. randy _

Re: [dns-operations] windns-users list

2014-05-29 Thread Mehmet Akcin
Hello, The url is http://lists.cloudapp.net Feel free to contact me off-list if you have any questions / issues joining list Mehmet > On May 29, 2014, at 1:06, Chris Dent wrote: > > I would like the list details please (either privately or here depending on > the consensus). > > Thanks, >

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Fon
http://domainkeys.sourceforge.net/underscore.html On 29 May 2014 10:28, "hua peng" wrote: > I found this is a valid RR: > > _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 > include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" > > > But for A, CNAME, etc, the underline in ho

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Matthew Pounsett
On May 29, 2014, at 04:24 , hua peng wrote: > I found this is a valid RR: > > _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 > include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" > > > But for A, CNAME, etc, the underline in hostname is invalid. > Does this make a conf

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 10:29 AM, Matthew Pounsett wrote: > Host names are only allowed the characters [a-z] (case insensitive), [0-9], > and [-]. See RFCs 952 and 1123. > > Domain names may use any string as a label, so for example the underscore is > perfectly legal. See RFC 2181. This is

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread David Conrad
Phillip, On May 29, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: > And that is a problem because all numeric names are valid DNS hostnames. Not really. An all numeric string is a valid DNS _label_, however not all collections of DNS labels that make up a domain name are valid as a hostname. S

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Phillip, > > On May 29, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker > wrote: >> And that is a problem because all numeric names are valid DNS hostnames. > > Not really. An all numeric string is a valid DNS _label_, however not all > collections

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
Sorry, hit send rather than reply all just then On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:48 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Phillip, > > On May 29, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker > wrote: >> And that is a problem because all numeric names are valid DNS hostnames. > > Not really. An all numeric string is a

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread David Conrad
On May 29, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >> This implies that ICANN can't delegate an all-numeric TLD, and in fact, >> ICANN (in section 2.2.1.3.2, sub-section 1.2.1 of the Applicant's Guide >> Book) states: > I am rather worried when specifications rely on what is implied rather

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Bob Harold
If I (reluctantly) accept that DNS names that are not hostnames can have underscores in them, why does BIND not have an option to allow that, while still rejecting invalid hostnames? Or have I missed something? If someone decides to add that feature, I would really like the option to only add the

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Jim Reid
On 29 May 2014, at 18:20, Bob Harold wrote: > If I (reluctantly) accept that DNS names that are not hostnames can have > underscores in them, why does BIND not have an option to allow that, while > still rejecting invalid hostnames? Or have I missed something? I think you have missed something.

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Evan Hunt
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 01:20:35PM -0400, Bob Harold wrote: > If I (reluctantly) accept that DNS names that are not hostnames can have > underscores in them, why does BIND not have an option to allow that, while > still rejecting invalid hostnames? Or have I missed something? BIND allows domain n

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread wbrown
Out of curiosity, where did the prohibition of underscores in host names come from. I'm sure there's a historical reason for it, but I've never heard it. Or is it really as simple as "RFC 952 only listed thirty seven characters" -- William Brown Messaging Team Technology Services, WNYR

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread wbrown
From: Evan Hunt > Can I ask what specific problem you're having that would be solved by this? Creating DNS entries in BIND for Windows servers with an underscore in the machine name. The machines were named by others, and I had to make it work. Confidentiality Notice: This electronic m

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Bob Harold
Thanks to everyone that answered. I did not realize that "check-names" only checked things it considered "hostnames" and not all DNS names. I just reread the BIND manual and found: check-names applies to the owner names of A, and MX records. It also applies to the domain names in the RDATA

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Paul Vixie
Bob Harold wrote: > Thanks to everyone that answered. I did not realize that > "check-names" only checked things it considered "hostnames" and not > all DNS names. I just reread the BIND manual and found: > > check-names applies to the owner names of A, and MX records. > It also ap

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Jim Reid
On 29 May 2014, at 18:56, wbr...@e1b.org wrote: > Out of curiosity, where did the prohibition of underscores in host names > come from. I'm sure there's a historical reason for it, but I've never > heard it. Or is it really as simple as "RFC 952 only listed thirty seven > characters" I belie

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <88f4b55a-26a7-491e-ae4e-b8f40ef49...@rfc1035.com>, Jim Reid writes: > On 29 May 2014, at 18:56, wbr...@e1b.org wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, where did the prohibition of underscores in host names > > come from. I'm sure there's a historical reason for it, but I've never > > heard

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Jaap Akkerhuis
> On 29 May 2014, at 18:56, wbr...@e1b.org wrote: > > > Out of curiosity, where did the prohibition of underscores in host names > > come from. I'm sure there's a historical reason for it, but I've never > > heard it. Or is it really as simple as "RFC 952 only listed

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread hua peng
IIRC BIND doesn't permit an A record whose label has a underscore included, for example, this one: aa_bb.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.128.106 what RFC item is it influenced by? Thanks. BIND does allow domain names with underscores in them. In fact SRV records use under

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Paul Vixie
hua peng wrote: > IIRC BIND doesn't permit an A record whose label has a underscore > included, for example, this one: > > aa_bb.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.128.106 try this in your named.conf file: options { check-names master ignore; check-names slave ignore;

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <5387e556.5070...@arcor.de>, hua peng writes: > IIRC BIND doesn't permit an A record whose label has a underscore > included, for example, this one: > > aa_bb.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.128.106 > > what RFC item is it influenced by? > Thanks. RFC 952, RFC 112

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Paul Vixie
Mark Andrews wrote: > In message <5387e556.5070...@arcor.de>, hua peng writes: >> IIRC BIND doesn't permit an A record whose label has a underscore >> included, for example, this one: >> >> aa_bb.google.com. 300 IN A 74.125.128.106 >> >> what RFC item is it influenced by?

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Mark Andrews
If you want to change the legal syntax of hostnames then write a RFC. As it stands RFC 952 + RFC 1123 define the legal syntax for hostnames. Even IDN maps back to RFC 952 + RFC 1123 at the DNS level. IDN does NOT permit underscore. Named, by default, allows the lookup any name it is possible t

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Fred Morris
On Thursday 29 May 2014 00:24, hua peng wrote: > I found this is a valid RR: > > _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 > include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" The general geist... feng shui... the way it hangs... (how many languages can I offend?): ANY O

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Nicolas CARTRON
On 29/05/2014 10:24, hua peng wrote: I found this is a valid RR: _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" But for A, CNAME, etc, the underline in hostname is invalid. Does this make a confusion? Thanks. Nope, s

Re: [dns-operations] about the underline in hostname

2014-05-29 Thread Mark Andrews
In message <538815d5.8000...@ncartron.org>, Nicolas CARTRON writes: > On 29/05/2014 10:24, hua peng wrote: > > I found this is a valid RR: > > > > _spf.yandex.ru. 2768IN TXT "v=spf1 > > include:_spf-ipv4.yandex.ru include:_spf-ipv6.yandex.ru ~all" > > > > > > But for A, CNAME,