Re: [Dng] Purpose of all this complicated device management?

2014-12-31 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > May I ask what all this complexity is supposed to accomplish? > Legacy support. Or retrocomputing. More than 10 to 20 years ago we had static /dev but started to get dynamic devices. This was seen as a HUGE problem because some competing

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-15 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 7:07 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > which is required if you want to appeal to new users. > That's the problem with the obese DEs. Corporate marketing says all that matters is the noobs, oh and we need this list of features nobody actually uses for our marketing campaigns i

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-16 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > It is perfectly arguable that people involved in servers' deployment > do not want to dedicate time to tweaking a Linux-based desktop. > The root cause of a lot of the trouble has come from people rationalizing bad decisions, or distracti

Re: [Dng] Devuan philosohy

2015-03-31 Thread Vince Mulhollon
A good list. Some combo of 1. and 10. WRT interface design "Be liberal in what you accept for input and conservative in what you output to the next victim" Also for 13. sysadmin time is also expensive. Human time gets more expensive every year and machine time gets cheaper every year. __

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 6:39 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: > If we were ok with unmodifiable undebuggable unfixable software, we'd be > using Windows. Thought that was lead in to a new systemd joke right up till the last word. Not bad, not bad at all. Firmware is analogous to ADA compliance stuff f

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Laurent Bercot wrote: > when the user buys such a piece of hardware > Just be careful, the assumption is the user is the installer is the buyer, and frankly most of the machines I've installed in the last 20 years, that has not been the case. The old "heres a d

Re: [DNG] Debian is dropping support for i586. Are we?

2016-05-05 Thread Vince Mulhollon
It'll hit the embedded world pretty hard. Today you can buy a brand new soekris box that only runs i586. Brand new off the shelf, today. My 6 or 7 year old one is running right now as an asterisk server at home. Draws about 5 watts. Its not exactly the newest piece of hardware they sell but it

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-08 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:59 AM, wrote: > Unless FF 52 onward is recompiled with the alsa switch enabled, it will > be unusable for most of us. Now wait a minute, this is just sound, right, I haven't used sound on a desktop in years, that seems to be a "podcast on my phone" or "music on my pho

Re: [Dng] Devuan Keyring

2014-12-26 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 2:56 AM, envite wrote: > > I've been thinking on how to sign Devuan Packages, and we need a > Repository Key and a hard set of trusted keys. > Those are two separate problems, the repo key verifies the mirrors are getting a proper feed from master. Thats somewhat useful.

Re: [Dng] Gnome

2014-12-29 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 8:50 AM, Mauro Cicio wrote: > we are not ready to give up the philosophical principles behind *nix ("do > 1 thing and do it right") and the freedom that comes with the "free as in > speech" part of the FSF GNU. > I like that, maybe as a project motto or marketing tagline.

Re: [Dng] Gnome

2014-12-29 Thread Vince Mulhollon
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: > Regarding usage data, do you think Debian's popcon numbers will yield any > useful insights? > I believe there might be significant self selection bias issues WRT who participates. Given that, to save anyone else the time, 9K konsole votes,