Re: [Dng] LILO

configuration was being enumerated by GRUB as MD127 and MD126. But I still didn't know how to fix it. Unfortunately, the upgrade was mandatory to fix a fatal flaw in the version of ecryptfs in the previous version which had destroyed some of my files.

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

ed with the security, or > the safety of the user interfaces. > > -- hendrik “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” ― Edmund Burke Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

the system itself resists damage and systematic attack. Well, don't read too much literally into this except to note that we all know that systemd subverts this. It's not just the Unix way, it's the reliability way. Peter Olson ___ Dng ma

Re: [Dng] recommendation for consideration: keep as close to debian as possible

server probably can't understand this when making such a filter decision without some external guidance (RFC/config-etc). Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Important changes in Linux 3.20 (4.0?)

> On February 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 07:34:57PM -0500, Peter Olson wrote: > > “Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.” > > ― Edmund Burke > > > > Peter Olson > I think the original quote was by S

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

sk has been hurled into it. Superimpose a circle bar left over it to prohibit it. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Beginning of Devuan Dmenu Howto

because I still > don't know how Devuan's dmenu package will look. Does dmenu act without me pressing Enter? I'm wondering what happens when I make a typo that happens to match the name of a program I never heard of. Peter Olson __

Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is

te D can change its outbound links at any time after the initial citation of A to B and A will be none the wiser. Doubtless there are other worms in this can, so I rest my case. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] greets

> On March 10, 2015 at 7:09 PM Go Linux wrote: > > > On Tue, 3/10/15, hellekin wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Dng] greets > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2015, 11:32 AM > > On 03/10/15 11:57, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > LOL > > > *** Can you expand the acronym? I'm not sure I

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

swered. > @johns_FSF > "RMS, do you have an opinion about systemd?" "No. I know it's free > software, so you can make your own opinion about it." #lp2015 The exact quote is "Do you have an opinion about the prevalence of systemd in most distributions?"

Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?

like the kernel, file > system, etc.). > > Miles Fidelman Freedom 0 probably already covers this. The freedom to run a program, as you wish, includes the freedom not to run the program, if that is what you wish. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@list

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

tion as trolling. I haven't decided yet whether to speak to that person tomorrow about it. Peter Olson > Well, RMS doesn't do anymore development work as far as I know, so maybe > his opinion doesn't matter. Still, as a well-known time-honored > spokesperson for &q

Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet

> On March 22, 2015 at 6:29 AM Jaromil wrote: > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2015, Peter Olson wrote: > > > RMS didn't call me a troll, he answered the question. Somebody else > > took it upon himself to refer to the question as trolling. I haven't > > decided yet

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

s? The BeOS file system used a database-centric approach that might qualify. Here's a starting point if you are interested in learning more about it: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2010/06/02/the-beos-filesystem/ Peter Olson ___

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

ble undebuggable unfixable software, we'd be > using Windows. +1 Peter Olson (apologies if this duplicates a reply sent from the wrong email address which might pass moderator approval) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

eneral. But I don't want to make it easy for people who could install fine with the free installation to select the other one "just in case". There is possibly an opportunity to gather information about what cases don't work with the free download. Peter Olson ___

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

ar as FPGAs in general are concerned I don't know of any which can be programmed without the aid of proprietary software tools and secret data stream formats. I would like to be proven wrong about this. Recently I heard about Cubic ( http://cubicboard.org/ ) and OpenCores ( http://opencores.org/ ) has been around for a while. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Unofficial wiki

> On June 13, 2015 at 11:06 AM David Harrison wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > I have set up http://wiki.friendsofdevuan.org as a holding place for > useful information, at least until there's an official wiki in place. > > It's empty right now but for a few category suggestions. Not even a > n

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

gt; with vi :-( I have made horrendous changes with vi, quite simply, which had to be repaired by source code control :-) :-( Well, I probably could have done that with any other of multiple editors. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.or

Re: [DNG] devuan LTS

mental for individual packages and their dependencies? I am speaking as one who is about to jump into LXC but has no expertise about it yet. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] many packages VS. one package, was: Re: dng@lists.dyne.org

d or grep through hundreds of search results for related packages that have nothing to do with installing (or even identifying by name) the package I want, not to mention how complete the doc/devel/debug environment I might like. Peter Olson ___ Dng mail

Re: [DNG] Linux-related critique

it wrong. They regurgitate :-) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Debugging netman auto-connect.

> On September 11, 2015 at 2:24 PM aitor_czr wrote: > > No! > > Only square matrices can have a determinant. > > I am not Roger Penrose. I am a hooligan of *Richard Feynman* > and *Lev Davidovick Landau* (vintage). Perhaps also with some variation *Joseph-Louis La

Re: [DNG] Programming languages for netman?

alue. Sorry, couldn't help myself :-) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] Messages from the future (Was: Re: [DN Offlist G] netman GIT project)

> On February 24, 2032 at 3:32 PM aitor_czr wrote: Your last few messages have had Date: lines far in the future. Check your clock! Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

> On September 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM Laurent Bercot wrote: > > >> if you can confirm the plan of releasing s6-rc within september > > I confirm it. > > And, lo and behold, I'm on schedule for once. > s6-rc-0.0.1.

Re: [DNG] int essid_alloc is causing valgrind to report a series of errors

ne a function that replaces these > strncpy(tmpstr, substr + 1, endstr - substr - > 1); with these > safe_strncpy(tmpstr, sizeof tempstr, substr + > 1, endstr - substr - 1); which also can guarantee the terminating nul in the destination. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

ud or not, you don't want to assist the systemd marketeers in > shutting down discussion about systemd's architecture, do you? "discussion about systemd's architecture" I have to smile ... what discussion? :-( I wonder if Lennart's birth day occurred in positive time() or neg

Re: [DNG] Netman Communication

> > > for Netman? [snip] > I don't see a problem. I, too, am following the netman stuff, as part > of the wider mailing list. I find it quite refreshing to be able to > read everything so easily. +1 As someone who might eventually be a package developer, I find thi

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

al, usually for the purpose of drawing a contrast. The abbreviation cf is sometimes mistakenly used to mean see also." Usually it written differently ... "blah, blah, blah, cf. this other thing" However, other Latin abbreviations are used this way, cf. "q.v", "op cit&quo

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

ng the sixth bit. I'm unhappy for two reasons: the failure mode of alloca is SIGSEGV or some other malfunction and there is no way to test for it the *buf &= ~0x20; breaks for UTF8 strings. Nevermind that the function implicitly references stderr except when it doesn't. Peter

Re: [DNG] "Common knowledge?"-question

> On January 23, 2016 at 1:36 PM Rainer Weikusat > wrote: > > Peter Olson writes: > 5>> On January 22, 2016 at 4:34 PM Rainer Weikusat > wrote: > > [...] > > >> p = buf = alloca(total); > > [...] > > > the failure mode of all

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater (was: "Common knowledge?"-question)

> KatolaZ This also brings up the question of whether you should roll your own get_name or use basename(3) which already does the same thing except in some edge cases. It's easier for the student to understand the code if it is implemented as get_name, but the student ought t

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater

es follow different rules. Use the libraries. I actually like the example of Python's os.path library, which implements a unified set of portable routines for manipulating path names. Peter Olson Off topic P.S.: memoize means something different from memorize, which you clearly meant. _

Re: [DNG] Icerbergs aren't small just because they're mostly underwater

> On January 26, 2016 at 2:30 PM Rainer Weikusat > wrote: > > Peter Olson writes: > >> On January 25, 2016 at 5:54 PM Rainer Weikusat > >> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> A related but IMHO more interesting set of questions could be: &

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

tps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_butlers for some ideas. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

ministrative purposes such as adduser which require privileges and are not needed by user logins or might not be expected for ordinary user access. On some distros ifconfig is in one of these and isn't visible to the user, even though it might be use

Re: [DNG] Why I was away.

> On May 5, 2016 at 12:53 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: [...] > Some may think I am insane, but sometimes even the company of a four > legged friend can be beneficial. > > Edward And it runs another OS which is free of systemd :

[DNG] booting old system on a different partition

ot fs. Gotta love grub, which is useful only when nothing is wrong :-) Any advice about how to proceed? Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] hashtag retarded

he OT or trolling messages here. > Some may argue this is the strategy adopted by enemies of init > freedom, which may be correct. However, sometimes one has to adopt an > adversary's strategy if it proves to be the only possible of way >

Re: [DNG] sudo or su?

is an interesting decision to make, but not allowing root > login is a matter of too much security to get your job done. Or you can sudo, edit /etc/passwd to change your login directory temporarily to something not in /home, logout, and log back in using the temporary directory. Peter Olson _

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

idea of market dominance. Ours is the best distro? I'm really puzzled. I suppose that free software desktop environments for ordinary people seem to adopt UX ideas from the proprietary world with the idea that it makes the free software environments easy to adapt to. That doesn't

Re: [DNG] Request for Removal of slim package from Devuan

s like grep because now they have to support Unicode and who knows what else? Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] SoylentNews discussion

iption into files for each of the kinds of init. Difficult issues could be submitted as feature requests upstream. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] resolved

might like to be concerned about. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] package request

r XUL browsers, and it's > more stable than the webkit based browsers. My thanks also, I have been using it too. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] package request

> On June 14, 2016 at 1:43 AM Irrwahn wrote: > > On Tue, 14 Jun 2016 00:37:59 -0400 (EDT), Peter Olson wrote: > > [About possible branding issues for a hypothetical > future Pale Moon package in De(vu|bi)an.] > > > This is why there is Iceweasel instead of Fire

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

s state in program structure */ if (checkError (stdin, argv[0])) return 1; /* this version checks for errors */ if (checkError (stdout, argv[0])) return 1; /* I didn't actually reproduce this error, it is hard to test */ return 0; } I hope this survives li

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

e if you type only one = in the latter form, whereas the first form will happily execute by setting abc to 42 and always taking the true clause. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

On 2016-06-24 12:17, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Peter Olson writes: >>> On June 23, 2016 at 10:48 AM Edward Bartolo wrote: >>> if (count > 0) >>> while(putchar(' ') && --count); >> >> I strongly recommend using the continue stat

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

The whole idea of := or assignment in general is suspect. Use a functional programming language like Scheme/LISP, Haskell, or OCAML instead. > Not trying to start a flamewar. Just demonstrating that there is a > different opinion possible regards this. :-) Peter Olson _

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

n the 8 bit world, the range is (-128, 127) In the 16 bit world, the range is (-32768, 32767) They are talking about numbers, so the largest such number is the most negative. You might want to think about what is being said before you make a claim that something is idiotic. Peter Olson _

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

n 2016-06-29 06:00, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 29/06/2016 11:54, Peter Olson a écrit : [..] >> They are talking about numbers, so the largest such number is the most >> negative. >> >> You might want to think about what is being said before you make a claim &

Re: [DNG] OT: Algol w, 68, Pascal, Ada

instruction, they use > the same words to denote basic types (Boolean, Integer, Natural), and > they're wordy. > > Didier An anecdote about Niklaus Wirth: He said he was once asked how to pronounce his name, and replied, "If

Re: [DNG] Studying C as told. (For help)

f more brackets follow the process should be > repeated. What happens with a = b((7, c[3)]) Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

(literal == value) stuff; and not if (literal = value) stuff; which the compiler will flag as an error. The compiler is your friend, if you help it a bit. Peter Olson > those who are attacking are only interested in making disguised > personal attacks to dissuade me from help

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

> On July 15, 2016 at 5:12 AM Jaromil wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody > > trying to write useful code will do anything like what IOCCC writes. > > well, I even argue is s

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

e :-) If you have ever used the other tape to secure cables to the floor and then uprooted those cables when tearing down, you will know the misery of trying to remove the other kind of tape now wrapped seamlessly around the cable. Peter Olson _

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

> On July 16, 2016 at 4:47 AM Jaromil wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > I'm a fan of Donald Knuth as well. My funny story is that when I > > was in college, I got an offer from Addison-Wesley to preorder the > > seven volume set "

Re: [DNG] flat tires in SystemD

+1 I'm glad I didn't reply immediately when I read the original. It would have been embarrassing for me to be a "me too" :-) Peter Olson > On July 29, 2016 at 3:14 PM Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 09:02:22AM -0300, Marlon Nunes wrot

Re: [DNG] Fearsome rumblings from GNU

the forwarding?) I haven't looked into the changelog of coreutils to try to find out, but it would be helpful to know what is at issue here. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs.

I apologize for top-posting, but I have no idea what you are talking about. For the record, I am not fond of GRUB2 either. Peter Olson > On August 9, 2016 at 1:52 AM Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Considering the fact that many Linux users moan about not being able > to run the l

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

> On August 9, 2016 at 3:04 AM Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Peter Olson (pe...@peabo.com): > > > I apologize for top-posting, but I have no idea what you are talking about. > > > > For the record, I am not fond of GRUB2 either. > > For my next-generation s

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

rtition, so it is really the easiest way to proceed. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

> On August 9, 2016 at 11:06 PM Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Peter Olson (pe...@peabo.com): > > > Of course, it is difficult to shoot yourself in the foot with GRUB ... > > > > > > I have a machine in that state right now, and rather than try to debug

Re: [DNG] Bootloaders (was: SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs)

> On August 10, 2016 at 3:01 AM Simon Hobson wrote: > > Peter Olson wrote: > > > I have a machine in that state right now, and rather than try to debug it > > at the Grub prompt, I am just going to reinstall the system. > > That's a bit like the old "

Re: [DNG] vdev

n the discussion thread, where I cannot make sense of the discussion. Please fix this. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] vdev

no help built in. You have to be an expert to use it. What does "e" plus tab key twice do? Is there some way I could try this on a system which boots successfully to find out about this? Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] GRUB shell (was: vdev)

> On August 14, 2016 at 7:12 AM fsmithred wrote: > > On 08/14/2016 05:50 AM, Peter Olson wrote: > >> On August 14, 2016 at 5:31 AM Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > > [...] > > > >> ..one neat thing about grub, is its shell, once you get the menu, >

Re: [DNG] GRUB shell

> On August 17, 2016 at 9:32 AM fsmithred wrote: > > On 08/17/2016 07:09 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > On 08/17/2016 12:32 PM, Peter Olson wrote: > >> What does "e" plus tab key twice do? > >> > >

Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over

te multiple > times because I'm originally from Chicago. Boston has dibs on that as well. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which license for UMENU2?

gt; and the X11 license. What complication don't you like about GPLv3+ ? > Any opinions on which to choose? > > Thanks, > > SteveT Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Openrc

imal PID1 in 30 lines of code, I would propose that one of the RC tasks spawned by it would be the minimal supervisor in about 30 lines of code, which only supervises supervisors and knows how to launch/relaunch them. Failure unlikely. The OOM killer won't ever see it, right? It would require

Re: [DNG] On talk.do and Web forums

s. > > Edward I disagree: "There is no reason to use something else" This is all about UI/UX, it's not a technical decision based of availability of software packages. The question is, what is the most effective solution for our communication? PHPBB is an enormous interface.