On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 02:24:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> What I did (that was documented on the OpenRC conversion page) sufficed
> to prove that common claims about deep and pervasive systemd-dependency
> problems in Debian 8 have been vastly exaggerated (I list in detail the
> ones that act
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 02:25:01AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Cool! Like F1, these four things should be discoverable from text on the
> login screen.
Or else put this on the login screen, along with the F1 stuff:
1) Hold down Alt and SysRq and type "reisub" to reboot, or
2) Alt-SysRq plus "re
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
> > On July 15, 2016 at 5:12 AM Jaromil wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Jul 2016, Peter Olson wrote:
> >
> > > You misunderstand what the IOCCC is about. It's a game. Nobody
> > > trying to write useful code will do anything like what IOCCC
On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 09:12:21PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 03:37:58PM -0400, Peter Olson wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > I'm a fan of Donald Knuth as well. My funny story is that when I was in
> > college, I got an offer from Addison-Wesley to preorder the seven volume
> >
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 01:51:37PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Now, if the devs/maintainers used a "if it's there call it, if it
> isn't then don't" approach then I could see that working. I assume
> that is a possible way of calling library functions given the number
> of programs with option
On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 12:44:33PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
>
> > Due to my needs, my situation, my beliefs, and my skillset, an OS from
> > the Debian project doesn't work for me. I've said why about 15 times on
> > two mailing lists. For *me*, wh
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:54:44AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
> On 07/16/2016 05:12 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> > You probably wouldn't even like removing libsystemd0 entirely and
> > replacing it with an 'equivs' recipe, which could also be done if one
> > really, really, really were concerned.
> >
> > B
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Simon Walker wrote:
>
> <<
> Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck?
> >>
> You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can
> understand provided any concepts used are w
On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:29:25PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote:
> On 07/18/2016 11:06 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:16:03AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>Simon Walker wrote:
> >
> >>
> >><<
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 03:03:35PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> >I guess this is exactly what "multi-seat" means: severall keyboards and
> > severall grapical cards connected to the same host. It certainly does not
> > include serial terminals. Serial terminal fall in
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:41PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Simon Walter wrote:
>
> > Since this is Devuan (something about veteran *unix* admins, and
> > coming from Debian - the *universal* OS), I would not have expected
> > Devuan's fans and users to be so close minded.
>
>
On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 09:09:28AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> I've now replaced Slim by Lightdm. Dunno what key "sysrq" is.
sysrq is sometimes labelled PrtSc. In the old DOS days, it would print
the screen.
No doubt this might require documentation, too.
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On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 11:02:19PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 23:36:06 +0200
> aitor_czr wrote:
>
>
> > Help, Steve Litt !!
> >
> >Aitor.
>
> I think a separate theme is needed for people with fuzzy vision.
>
> PRIORITIES:
>
> * Readability over pretty.
> * Quick Cont
On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 11:30:47PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 24/07/2016 22:37, Jaromil a écrit :
> >On Sun, 24 Jul 2016, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >
> >>Didier Kryn writes:
> >>>Le 22/07/2016 18:21, Brian Nash a écrit :
> For example, when I discovered multithreading, all my programs used
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 07:37:12AM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Hi Rainer,
>
> could you describe how this could be used to, say, make all applications
> that link with libsystemd print "Hello world!" in addition to their normal
> function?
Just linking isn't enough, unless there's something
On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 02:17:01PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Hendrik Boom writes:
> >Just linking isn't enough, unless there's something about the loading
> >process that I don't know. (Maybe C++ has something special for module
> >initialization?)
>
I'd love to have devuan running on a home ARM server. So long I
haven't seen suitable hardware.
To replace my present server, I need something that has twp ethernet
ports, can drive multiple SATA drives (two needed, four would be nice),
has USB ports, and can be connected to a keyboard, mouse,
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 07:58:19AM -0500, dev wrote:
> Systemd isn't going to stop at just init. There are far to many
> opportunities to embrace, extend and extinguish entire distributions.
A point of grammar: Wrong verb tense.
Systemd hasn't stopped at just init,
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 11:01:04AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net):
>
> > Rick Moen writes:
> > > Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net):
> > >
> > >> To re-iterate this:
> > >
> > > [more very strangely worded, difficult-to-parse prose, seemi
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 08:15:27AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 26/07/2016 12:59, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
> >Didier Kryn writes:
> >>Le 25/07/2016 01:29, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
> >>>Sleeping on a contended mutex is implemented in this way. But that's
> >>>supposed to be an exceptional case.
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 10:34:55AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> By the way, what specifically does 'entangle it with unwanted
> systemd-isms' actually _mean_, and what does that have to do with
> whatever-the-heck-it-was that Rainier said? Once again, it seems to me,
> there's vagueness in unfortu
On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 02:33:31AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> But I'm getting the vibes that you are uninterested in 'overcoming
> dependency obstacles' through local system administration. You'd rather
> that someone else solves your problem.
>
> I understand. I'd like someone else to solve
On Sat, Jun 04, 2016 at 01:27:25PM +0200, Friedhelm Mehnert wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 21:10:05 -1000
> Joel Roth wrote:
>
> > My system is devuan/jessie, upgraded from debian.
was that from debian jessie?
> >
> > It's interesting that 'man init' brings up the
> > systemd man page.
> >
>
> On
On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:58:21PM +1000, terryc wrote:
> After looking before and following the instructions there, I've
> upgraded Debian wheezy to Debian Jessie and apparently that isn't
> how you do it now.
Since you are asking on this list, do you mean upgrading to *devuan*
jessie? That's
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:09:39AM +0200, uht...@posteo.de wrote:
> I installed a basic devuan ascii to qemu and hopefully i went to /etc
> to configure from the commandline a working wireless connection. But,
> nada - there is no wpa_supplicant (which i expected to be there).
I have wpasupplicant
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 10:05:20AM +, hellekin wrote:
>
> Joey Hess in his departing email mentioned that The Debian Constitution
> "is a toxic document" [0], although he didn't say why exactly (and
> didn't reply to my inquiry about it so far, which I can understand.)
>
> Nevertheless, I thi
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 12:17:16PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> True story. As one of ten founders of a LUG in 1999, and
> concerned about some future "evil group" "kidnapping" the LUG, I
> convinced everyone to put a very difficult quorum requirement into the
> constitution. Everyone was excited
On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 09:02:22AM -0300, Marlon Nunes wrote:
> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd
>
> 12 points about why its bad.
>
My favorite line from this is
"reinvents the flat tire"
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On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 02:01:31PM +0200, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> On 29-07-16 21:39, Jaromil wrote:
> >
> >I think most people clashing with Rick here may want to stop for a
> >moment and realise Devuan does not need fan-boys, converted people or
> >preachers as much as critical and co
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 06:35:39AM +, hellekin wrote:
> On 07/29/2016 12:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > Can we get Joey Hess to review it?
> >
>
> I sent him a message on IRC and by email including the draft's URL. But
> I don't know him personal
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 07:38:07AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 01:55:57PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> > Why are we dragging up a thread from over a year ago??
> >
> > I strongly disagree, installing "Recommends" are IMHO reasonable for the
> > common case, and that sho
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Politics of IT in the U.S. government
>
> http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-old-it.html
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the preceding article, put away all the politics: That's not the
> s
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 11:51:32PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> COBOL has fixed point base 10 operations, which is mandatory for
> financial computation. C hasn't. I've heared that, in the US at least,
> floating point operations are illegal in the finance area. The only other
> language I kn
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 03:16:49PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 10:05:33AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > If I were making a general purpose menu program that might eventually
> > end up in Devuan, would you hate me if I made it depend on MongoDB?
> > Same question
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:18:12PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> Expectations (again): They said OOP must be all or nothing. Smalltalk
> good, Perl bad. No fair using structured code where it works best, and
> objects where they work best. Nope, if you're not 100% OOP, you're just
> a hack. LOL, Ja
On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 07:42:40AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 05/08/2016 01:59, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >That's exactly why I like Modula 3. You use structured code where
> >that's good. You use objects and inheritance where that's good.
> >You use in
On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 07:50:26AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I suggest a simple text file to store all menu information in a format
> that doesn't require any specific parsers to be installed. Some argue
> and seem to have a point, XML is not that readable for many users and
> mor
On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 10:37:42AM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 05/08/2016 10:16, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> > There's no real advantage in having to use
> >BEGIN and END instead of { and }.
> >
> Explanation below, maybe - '{' isn't visible
On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 04:29:53 -0400
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 07:50:26AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I suggest a simple text file to store a
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 10:39:14AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> In the case of simple parsing requirements, I prefer to have the
> program itself do the parsing instead of relying on an external
> parser. This remove the extra dependency on the parser.
>
> I would also like to comment on the tex
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 04:26:15AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:43:33 -0400
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> > > And the preceding system is human readable, human parsable, and to a
> &
On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 12:04:17AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> In recent years, as I got progressively more irritated with byzantinely
> overengineered distro-packaged software barging onto my Linux systems, I
> actually checked to see about just, y'know, switching back to lilo. Two
> problems:
>
On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 12:46:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 09, 2016 at 12:04:17AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> > In recent years, as I got progressively more irritated with byzantinely
> > overengineered distro-packaged software barging onto my Linux sy
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 10:59:07AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote:
> aitor_czr wrote:
>
> > My clock is right:
> >
> > aitor@gnuinos:~$ date
> > Thu Aug 11 11:14:02 CEST 2016
>
> Err, no it isn't - unless you've found the secret of time travel ! You're a
> day ahead of us.
>
> Your clock says 11th
On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 09:40:37AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> > I have to do some work now, I look forward to the packages. Maybe you
> > can add a small README.txt for those who are willing to test vdev.
>
> Yes please. A small README.TXT explaining what we have to do to set up and
> install v
While doing a routine upgrade on my Davuan jessie system, aptitude
told me that devscripts, dpkg-dev, and libdpkg-perl recommend
debian-keyring.
Is this still correct for Devuan, perhaps because we use many of
Debian's packages? Should this be changed to devuan-keyring? Or even
both keyrings
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 03:25:01AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> There shouldn't IMO be broken DNS any more on modern networked *ix
> hosts. Run a local recursive resolver and list 127.0.0.1 as the first
> resolv.conf entry. It's 2016, guys.
Why isn't a local resolver the default? Why do we rel
On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 02:44:59PM -, dev1fanboy wrote:
> https://lilo.alioth.debian.org/
>
> The author has updated their site to say:
>
> "NOTE: I will finish development of LILO at December 2015 because of some
> limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID). If someone want to develop this nic
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05:12PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Rick Moen:
> > Quoting k...@aspodata.se (k...@aspodata.se):
> > > It does not care about MBR vs. GPT as long it can find the blocks where
> > > the kernel and possible initrd/initramfs is.
> > > I use Lilo on two GPT formatted dis
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 02:12:06PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>
> However, even an open source codebase over which a single, evil-leaning
> commercial entity owns sole copyright can be forked at any time. By
> anyone. All you need is code access and an appropriate licence.
>
> That's the whole poi
On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 03:10:37PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
>
> > Just to be clear, that's the point of open source *as* *originally*
> > *envisaged*. Unfortunately, I believe there has been a campaign to
> > devalue
On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 02:09:02PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Henrik Boom:
> > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:05:12PM +0200, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> ...
> > > Next scenario is if you have the bootloader on a different media, say
> > > e.g. a floppy. Then, will lilo load the kernel from disk 2 w
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:55:49PM +, Go Linux wrote:
> On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
> To: dng@lists.dyne.org
> Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 2:13 AM
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:21:24AM +, Go Linux wrote:
>
> >> The
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 06:27:58PM +, Go Linux wrote:
> Looks like the second poll has ended. There's a new one up today and voting
> is no longer an option. Here are the final results:
>
> Poll results for: The state of Devuan
>
> I have tried Devuan and it is ready to use: 95 (27%)
> I
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 08:45:35AM +1000, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
>
>
> shraptor wrote on 27/08/16 02:08:
> >On 2016-08-26 17:41, shraptor wrote:
> >>On 2016-08-25 14:06, Ralph Ronnquist wrote:
> >>>So, I took the steps of forking Jude Nelson's vdev on git.devuan.org,
> >>>and augmenting it with a
On Sat, Aug 27, 2016 at 11:12:19AM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
>
>
> What I've been doing to switch between vdev and udev is to edit the boot
> command at the grub menu.
>
> Save a copy of the pre-vdev initrd under a different name.
> To boot with udev, edit the boot menu to point to this intird, an
On Thu, Sep 01, 2016 at 02:28:04PM +0200, shraptor wrote:
>
> Official tor builds will pull in libsystemd0
How official? upstream's? or Debian's?
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On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 11:12:00AM +0100, Dave Turner wrote:
>
> dmesg knew all about my android tablet when I plugged it in, why can't vdev
> pick it up from there?
>
> this is what I had to add into 51-android having had a look at dmesg first.
>
> #my cheap Android tablet
> ATTR{idVendor}=
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 10:33:44AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> > But I understand perfectly others can make different choices,
> > and I support the idea of keeping multiple options available.
>
> I seriously don't even understand why anyone would think the
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 02:54:29AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 10/17/2016 12:29 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 08:58:28AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:05:54AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> >I've introduced Devuan to a friend who is no
On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 11:49:43PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote:
> Hi. Thanks to everyone for suggestions on how to diagnose the problem. It
> might well be something to do with PAE or UEFI, or maybe his processor is
> an i486. I'll see him tomorrow and try to figure it out, but I don't want
> to dev
On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 03:33:26PM -0500, Dan Purgert wrote:
>
> Forums are fine and all, but since this list and IRC are decently
> active, it may be a poor move to try pushing forums as well (given that
> the "discuss" forum is pretty much dead in the water).
>
> Now, if there was a newsgroup .
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 10:20:08AM +0100, hellekin wrote:
> everyone is rushing to
> prepare a new beta version of JESSIE that will act as an Release Candidate.
An impending release candidate is good news.
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On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 03:05:38PM -0500, Rob Owens wrote:
> A solution might be to:
>
> 1) rename this list if deemed necessary
And inform gmane of thte change.
> 2) route all devuan-discuss emails to dng
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I'm looking for ideas to solve this problem.
Something's wrong. When I an in myt regular coffee shop, my phone has
no trouble using the wifi, but my Devuan laptop cannot.
My laptop will connect to the coffee shop'w wifi modem, which has IP
number 172.16.0.1 and gives me IP number 182.16.0.194,
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 08:02:07PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I'm looking for ideas to solve this problem.
>
> Something's wrong. When I an in myt regular coffee shop, my phone has
> no trouble using the wifi, but my Devuan laptop cannot.
>
> My laptop will conne
On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 02:44:50PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> The most common cases involve WPA2 or (especially at hotels) wide open.
> Those are easily accommodated at the script level. If anybody's using
> WEP anymore, they deserve to be diverted to wicd.
Worst is probably the connections tha
On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 07:44:28PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> Well, it's pretty likely things are quantized at or around Planck's length,
> that makes everything integers, and thus the state of the Universe can be
> represented in a finite number of bits (although the Planck's length is
> sma
I tried using aptitude in interactive more to do a routine update and
upgrade. It complains that there are broken packages and when I ask
to examine the situation it starts trying to resolve stuff and counts
opwn, closed, etc. conflicts. It continues to go on doing this
seemingly forever.
So
Forgot to mention: I'm running a Devuan Jessie that has been updated
and upgraded uneventfully for over a year.
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On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:46:00 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > I tried using aptitude in interactive more to do a routine update and
> > upgrade. It complains that there are broken packages and when I as
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 05:17:56PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:46:00 -0500
> > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > > I tried using aptitude in interactive more to do a routine
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:08:03AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:21:35 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > >
> > > and everything worked sanely. But aptitude is st
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 06:45:24PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 12:08:03AM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:21:35 -0500
> > Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 10:37:48PM +0100, Florian Zie
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 01:18:08AM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> On 18-12-16 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >well, the suse complaint is gone now.
> >
> >aptitude still tries to install a huge set of unwanted packages.
> >apt works just fine.
> >
>
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 07:42:55PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 18/12/16 15:48, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 01:18:08AM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> >> On 18-12-16 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>> well, the suse complaint is
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 07:42:55PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 18/12/16 15:48, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 01:18:08AM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> >> On 18-12-16 00:59, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >>> well, the suse complaint is
On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 05:58:25PM +0100, Anto wrote:
>
> I don't think it is a big issue to replace the running udev on laptop and
> KVM based VPS as we can still have access to GRUB menu to recover from any
> issues. I had issue in switching udev with eudev on my Xen based VPS.
Does that mean
I'm running devuan Jessie on my 32-bit i686 laptop, having installed
long ago from the alpha2 release and doing routine upgrades ever after.
Occasionally I get wrong DNS lookups because of occasional DNS
misconfigurations elsewhere, and they get into the DNS cache.
Yes, get the misconfiguration
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 03:03:49PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 08:50:00AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > I'm running devuan Jessie on my 32-bit i686 laptop, having installed
> > long ago from the alpha2 release and doing routine upgrades ever after.
> &g
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 08:36:43PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> >> Which caching daemon are you using?
> >
> > That's one of the things I don't know. I suspect it's whatever
> > the devuan installer provided me long ag
On Sun, Jan 01, 2017 at 02:11:27PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Simon Hobson (li...@thehobsons.co.uk):
>
> > What do /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/nssswitch.conf have in them ?
> > Though to be honest, other than the systems I have BIND running on,
> > DNS resolution is something of a black box t
On Mon, Jan 02, 2017 at 07:20:36AM +0100, Jaromil wrote:
> dear Rick,
>
> On Sun, 01 Jan 2017, Rick Moen wrote:
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> > In skimming through the dnscrypt source code, I see that it's a DNS
> > tool to proxy queries over DNSCrypt protocol (that invokes ldns in
> > the process of doing its work) -- bu
On Tue, Jan 03, 2017 at 08:55:40PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
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> > What's wrong with 8.8.8.8? It's Google's public DNS, and for me, it
> > always works.
>
> That's fine - no-one is saying that you shouldn't use them if **you** want to.
>
> What people object to is a hidden
On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 03:34:20PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 04:18:10PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote:
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> [cut]
>
> > > I am strongly convinced that we don't want to (and we should not, by
> > > any means) be responsible for DNS configuration, mainly because we
> > > don't
On Wed, Jan 04, 2017 at 10:00:29PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
> I'm running a caching resolver locally because that "always works"
> (unless blocked by the ISP which may become mandatory in the UK 'soon'
> ...), even if an out-of-the-ordinary cache flush is called for because
> of a 'recent'
I this ssomethnig we should be aware of? It seems someone is in the
process of replacing wpa_supplicant and a lot of the tools above it
with new software, IWD, the Internet Wifi Daemon.
https://www.linux.com/news/event/elce/2017/new-linux-wifi-daemon-streamlines-networking-stack
-- hendrik
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:04:39AM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
> python-sipsimple (>= 3.0.0) seems to uninstallable because of
> dependencies. Is there a safe and easy way to pull them in from Debian?
I wouldn't pull anything in from Debian. I added an independent repository for
up-to-date OCaml
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 02:34:48PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 09:11:15AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:04:39AM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote:
> > > python-sipsimple (>= 3.0.0) seems to uninstallable because of
> > > depe
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 03:36:09PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:06:14AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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> [cut]
>
> > I don't want to pull anything for Debian. What I had used was a
> > third-party
> > package repository for a specific a
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 05:56:41PM +0100, info at smallinnovations.nl wrote:
> On 25-01-17 16:58, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> >
> >So uninstalling and purging aptitude's configuration looks viable. As long
> >as it
> >doesn't do nasties like uninstalling grub and
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 04:36:13PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 10:58:10AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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> [cut]
>
> >
> > So uninstalling and purging aptitude's configuration looks viable. As long
> > as it
> > doesn't do nas
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 06:37:08PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 01:22:17PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
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> [cut]
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> >
> > Where can I find complete documentation for apt-*?
> >
>
> As usual, the complete documentation is to be found by
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:15:06PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 13:44:26 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
>
> > It turns out my problems with aptitude seem to be over, after doing
> >
> > apt purge aptitude
> > apt install aptitu
On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 08:25:31PM +0100, Florian Zieboll wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 20:15:06 +0100
> Florian Zieboll wrote:
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> > $ rm /var/lib/aptitude/pkgstates*
>
>
> I forgot to mention that aptitude will re-populate the file on the next
> run.
Of course it did when I ran the reinstalle
On Sun, Feb 05, 2017 at 06:36:29PM +0100, J. Fahrner wrote:
>
>
> Am 05.02.2017 um 18:23 schrieb Florian Zieboll:
> >
> >
> > Both ways it worked like a charm.
> >
>
> Strange. Mine is a PI 1 Model B. (armhf architecture). Maybe the current
> packages are not compatible with that? But original R
On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 08:55:54PM +, Dave Turner wrote:
> >Thankfully the Clearlooks-Phenix-Purpy theme still handles synaptic etc.in
> jessie.
> >We may have to rethink the default desktop in ascii . . . and if there will
> even be one . .
>
> I was losing track of who said what when, but TH
Browsers. What a mess.
I've beed using Devuan since alpha-2.
I had to stop using chrome when support wsa suddenly dropped for my
platform -- 32-bit linux. This after I had increased my RAM from one
to two gigibytes and recovered decent performance.
I switched to firefox. FOr a while there w
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 05:32:36PM +, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 04:26:46PM +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> > On 170223-13:59+0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> > ...
> > > default login username and password for (live media)
> > > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=573
> > ...
>
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 03:47:33PM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:34:50 -0500
> Hendrik Boom wrote:
>
> > But firefox sometimes get crazy slow -- so slow I get no feedbak
> > whether I've properly clicked on a menu item or icon or some
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