Re: [Dng] systemd free badge

Joel Roth [2015-02-21 10:46]: > Brainstorming here, I'm thinking about "Coke Classic". So, > what are the classical (or traditional) things we are > preserving by excising systemd? > > Classical Unix Architecture > Classical Unix Administration > Classical Unix Services > Classical Unix Securit

Re: [Dng] Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?

Noel Torres [2015-05-05 18:52]: > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your > distribution, and will always be. At the moment, it is either Trios or Funtoo or Slackware, right? Or some limited distro like Alpine (which I run on my netbook). -- Hilsen Harald ___

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

James Powell [2015-06-04 02:57]: > Firmware is part of the kernel in a sense because it is loaded by the > kernel at boot. It only interacts with the kernel and the kernel modules > to provide any missing functionality, like a header file does, except > rather than C code, it's prebuilt binary lan

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Simon Hobson [2015-11-04 15:19]: > KatolaZ wrote: > >> > ... but please: do not urge people >> > to reboot, ever. There is simply no need at all to reboot, and in the >> > ovewhelming majority of use cases it is not necessary at all to use >> > the latest kernel available, unless ... > With all

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Steve Litt [2015-11-04 15:37]: > Now of course, if I'm troubleshooting a system serving hotel > reservations to millions of people, I'd reboot only as the very last > resort. I'd build a parallel system and exploit the differences or > similarities rather than rebooting. But if it's my own desktop

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

Edward Bartolo [2015-12-11 19:26]: > I think, it is irritating to first having to scroll down text others > have written rather than the text the latest poster has written. If > the latest poster wants his readers to refer to ealier posts, he can > state that in his reply. > > I don't consider th

Re: [DNG] netman: adding adequate help

Edward Bartolo [2016-01-11 10:33]: > 1) Should I add a manpage so that 'man netman' works? Most definitely yes. All programs should have a manpage, at least to show where documentation can be found. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

Steve Litt [2016-02-02 22:39]: > Chefs know what they're doing, but they still have fire extinguishers > with which to put out any fires. When the downside is severe enough, > safety measures are called for regardless of the skill of the operator. Amen! -- Hilsen Harald _

Re: [DNG] state of what's working for modern desktop usage

Steve Litt [2016-02-09 17:24]: > I use wpa_gui every time I take one of my laptops on the road, and I > get it to work, but I wouldn't call its functionality "working fine." > First of all, its human interface is ridiculous. Instead of conversing > with the human at human level and translating for

Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie - beta release announcement

Veteran Unix Admins [2016-04-29 13:32]: > Debian GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd, on its way to ^^ > become much more than that. This Beta release marks an important > milestone towards the sustainability and the continuation of Devuan as > an universal base distribution. -- H

Re: [DNG] Never again

Steve Litt [2016-05-12 22:29]: > Hi all, > > The last several years, with Debian, Lubuntu, Void, and Devuan Alpha, I > installed from either a tiny ISO or a network install ISO. Yesterday > and today, while installing from the Devuan DVD ISO, I was reminded why > I always did this. > > I started

Re: [DNG] How to acknowledge ported version of Open Source program?

Den 08.06.2016 12.58, skrev Jack L. Frost: On Wed, Jun 08, 2016 at 02:22:29PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: Since Chung's new version is written in Python, wouldn't it be considered a different piece of software? I don't think a re-write in another language of something licensed under the MIT licen

Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless

Rick Moen [2016-07-14 11:24]: > [1] 'litte-datamashin' is my laptop (hostname means 'little computer' in > Norwegian). Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that would be 'liten datamaskin'. -- Hilsen Harald (Oslo, Norway) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org ht

Re: [DNG] Devuan-ascii: Upgrading runit to 2.1.2-5 can hose your system

Steve Litt [2016-08-12 19:47]: > I don't understand. Do you perhaps mean that sysvinit is PID1, and you > use runit strictly as a process supervisor? The reason I ask this is, > whatever acts as PID1 is what boots the kernel. No. The kernel starts PID1. -- Hilsen Harald _

Re: [DNG] The Internet Wifi Daemon

Hendrik Boom [2017-01-18 16:20]: > I this ssomethnig we should be aware of? It seems someone is in the > process of replacing wpa_supplicant and a lot of the tools above it > with new software, IWD, the Internet Wifi Daemon. > > https://www.linux.com/news/event/elce/2017/new-linux-wifi-daemon-st

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

Andrew McGlashan [03/11/2017 06:15 PM]: > Oh and Mozilla has been trying to offload Thunderbird too, but TB is my > best choice for email. Check out FossaMail, by the PaleMoon developers. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https:

Re: [DNG] reportbug default bts

Steve Litt [2017-05-13 17:03]: > I never dist-upgrade. From what I hear, it breaks things. If I feel the > need to dist-upgrade, it's probably time to back up, reformat the > disks, and clean-install a later version. If you can't dist-upgrade, it's probably time to find another distribution. --

Re: [DNG] Raspi3 RC2 NOT working

Antonio Trkdz.tab [2017-05-14 22:12]: > I have tried twice to dd the RC2 raspi3 image on a sd card, but I ended > up with a non responsive login prompt. > Also the ethernet is screwed, effectively rendering the system unusable. I can confirm this. Seems the keyboard doesn't work at all. > RC1 is

Re: [DNG] Raspi3 RC2 NOT working

Arnt Karlsen [2017-05-14 23:14]: > On Sun, 14 May 2017 22:51:33 +0200, Harald wrote in message > <5918c355.9020...@skogtun.org>: > >> Antonio Trkdz.tab [2017-05-14 22:12]: >> >> > I have tried twice to dd the RC2 raspi3 image on a sd card, but I >> > ended up with a non responsive login prompt.

Re: [DNG] Xfce4 task uninstalled on upgrade to ascii

KatolaZ [2017-06-15 11:35]: > the unmet dependency there might not be tasksel (which is a virtual > package) rather a chain of deps which goes down to dbus. Since an > updated version of dbus is now available in ascii's repos, you should > be able to dist-upgrade to ascii (we will come back to tas

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

Didier Kryn [2017-06-28 19:38]: > I don't see any reason to encrypt /usr. You might like to encrypt > /etc because it contains user names and (already encrypted) passwords. > But definitely there is no reason to encrypt everything. But if you encrypt anything at all, isn't it easier to enc

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

Rick Moen [2017-06-28 20:33]: > Temporary files in /tmp are sometimes a little sensitive and sometimes > greatly so. (It's usually a tmpfs on my systems.) Operational paranoia > suggests keeping it at least cleaned up frequently, if you're going to > bother to have /home as a dmcrypt filesystem.

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 00:01]: > What I'm talking about is running i386 on 64-bit-capable CPUs. You can > check that by ｢grep '^flags.*\bnx\b' /proc/cpuinfo｣ or checking the op-mode > field in what lscpu says. > > There's a long list of reasons why that's a bad idea, especially when kernel >

Re: [DNG] [Desktop-Environment] Cinnamon and MATE

Adam Borowski [2017-07-23 12:57]: >> > I run 32-bit Devuan on one Core2 machine. Why? I can't get Xerox' >> > proprietary printer driver for their Phaser 6010N color laser to work on >> > 64-bit. Several receipes on how to do this, none of them work. > Printer drivers work in userspace, not in ke

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen [2017-08-16 19:34]: > The part you didn't address is where a DE is even helpful for this. > It's not. > > You've argued for a novice-friendly assemblage of good grapical > applications (in such use-cases), not for a DE. > > In any event, your concern appears irrelevant to the original

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Rick Moen [2017-08-17 00:55]: > So, here's a point: If you have a Linux system with Thunar (graphical > file manager) and the xfwm4 window manager, I'm betting that those _are_ > 99% of what you think of as 'XFCE4'. Not quite. > I'm betting that you don't actually have a specific desire and n

Re: [DNG] fvwm

Steve Litt [2017-08-22 23:59]: > As far as #1, what the hell does "session" mean? A session is something > that runs for awhile, and usually the implication is it's already > running. I think the word "session" needs to be changed to "GOSFUI". If > you'd rather not use a word directly created to h

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

Rick Moen [2017-08-23 19:06]: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change >> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in >> Linux in the past 10 years. > I'm sure, but on the othe

Re: [DNG] fvwm

Steve Litt [2017-08-23 18:00]: >> "Window Manager" would be the best, I think. I agree that "Session" >> can be misleading. How many users would know what you mean by >> "GOSFUI", a not at all intuitive and far too long abbreviation almost >> never used outside of this mailing list? > Then we sho

Re: [DNG] fvwm

Steve Litt [2017-08-23 18:03]: > You just said it in the first sentence of the preceding paragraph: Why > not substitute the phrase "grapical environment" for "session"? If > "graphical environment" isn't perfect, it's a hell of a lot better than > either "session", "window manager" or "desktop en

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

Rick Moen [2017-08-23 23:32]: > Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org): > >> >> Manual Xorg configuration is so tedious, time consuming and error >> >> prone that requiring users to be capable of it is just crazy. >> > Au contraire: Even if you

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Edward Bartolo [2017-08-26 10:36]: > So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold > enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system > breakage. > > There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create > archives of any directory. So, the obvio

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Den 26/08/2017 18:41, skrev Hendrik Boom: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create >> archives of any directory. So, the obvious action to me is, make a >> tar.gz archive before deleting any system directory

Re: [DNG] serial and ps2 ports.

info at smallinnovations dot nl [2017-08-27 22:25]: > I can admit that: a friend of mine cannot part of his original IBM AT > keyboard. So it has a converter from big DIN to PS2 to usb to connect it > to his PC without PS2 ports. I can understand that, they have a great "feel". However, they ne

Re: [DNG] systemd-udevd: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1

J. Fahrner [2017-10-06 18:52]: > That's a perfect example why renaming devices (to make them "stable") is > not a good idea. Most consumer devices have not more than one ethernet > card and one wireless card. So naming was already "stable". The new > logic makes them unstable when you have to c

Re: [DNG] Upgrade to ascii not possible?

Antony Stone [2017-10-12 18:11]: > So, you're only seeing 1.46+devuan1.0 > On 12 October 2017 at 21:01, Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2017-10-12 at 08:47 -0400, fsmithred wrote: >> 1.46+devuan1.0 0 >> 100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/main amd64 Packages > The

Re: [DNG] Upgrade to ascii not possible?

Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky [2017-10-13 03:57]: > You are right, it looks like mirrors aren't updated. > When I replaced auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ > with packages.devuan.org/devuan/ > , the upgrade has worked, however > I've

Re: [DNG] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree.

taii...@gmx.com [2017-11-11 04:44]: > On 11/10/2017 06:21 PM, KatolaZ wrote: >> Then replacing your video card might be the only option. > Replace with what? I bought this one as wikipedia says there is a free > firmware option for it "radeon" - to me that means no blobs required but > I guess

Re: [DNG] Virtualbox?

Fulano Diego Perez [2017-11-30 14:36]: > $ cat /var/log/vbox-install.log > Makefile:205: *** Error: unable to find the include directory for your > current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_INCL= and run Make again. > Stop. Is "linux-source" installed? -- Hilsen Harald _

Re: [DNG] Interface names changed after eudev installation

Steve Litt [2017-12-13 20:59]: > Although this new namescheme is cheerleadered by systemd fanboiz > FreeDesktop.Org, many sans-systemd distros have adopted the new device > naming scheme. I've lived with it for a few years, and it's really not > that terribly bad. That's your opinion. I think it'

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Den 27.12.2017 02:20, skrev Rick Moen: > btrfs is still scarily beta after rather a lot of years of development. > Its prospects have dimmed further now that Red Hat have dropped it from > their roadmap. That's your opinion. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng ma

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Den 27.12.2017 19:34, skrev taii...@gmx.com: > Please remember that all RAID should have ECC RAM and when it comes to > XFS it is MANDATORY to avoid massive data corruption. And a UPS. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://ma

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Den 28.12.2017 01:51, skrev Steve Litt: > The one downfall of my method is if you absolutely, positively need > atomic backups: database files, for instance. You'd need to stop work > on the computer being backed up. In the case of my Daily Driver > Desktop, which contains 3,874,727 files, the ent

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Den 2017-12-28 12:18, skrev KatolaZ: > I lost several filesystems with buggy reiserfs versions, back in the > days, and refused to use it ever again, basically because ext3 had > become reliable and dependable in the meanwhile. Then Hans Raiser > stopped its development, for other reasons... He

Re: [DNG] Request file system reviews and recomendations.

Den 2017-12-28 17:11, skrev Steve Litt: > That's exactly my point. To do something better than my backup > solution, I would have needed to go with something less tested, with > less complete supporting software, and something I trust less than > ext4. I haven't had ext4 mess up on me in at least

Re: [DNG] Sakura: was ROXterm flickers in ascii

Steve Litt [2018-01-03 22:32]: > Yes. It's different from lxterminal, which is an advantage. IMHO, the > more terminal emulator programs you have, the better. So: Why, if they are all the same? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglist

Re: [DNG] Sakura: was ROXterm flickers in ascii

Steve Litt [2018-01-04 08:01]: > A Chrysler Town and Country minivan and a Dodge Charger cost > approximately the same, and are both quality cars. I couldn't say which > one is better. But what I *can* say is that if you have four kids and > want to transport them in style, you get the Chrysler To

Re: [DNG] btrfs

Martin Steigerwald [2018-02-21 16:26]: > My short recommendation: Do not use BTRFS with Linux 3.10. Or more likely, don't use 3.10 at all. Support ended in November last year. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglis

Re: [DNG] ..waaay OT: Is Void OK? Was: Keep it alive

Arnt Karlsen [2018-05-21 12:27]: > ..to prevent another such heinous scare, the aptly named 'Descendants > Of Quisling' (by the Israeli ambassador to Norway Raphael Schutz) has > killed off FM radio: ... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_audio_broadcasting#FM_radio_switch-off > ...and civil

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

Eric Pozharski [2018-06-15 11:55]: > p.s. Also. For those ignorant out there. The Linux-from-Scratch has > gone The Dark Side. Close that book. Not really: "In coordination with this release, a new version of LFS using the systemd package is also being released. This package implements the

Re: [DNG] More Sheiße on the way

Alessandro Selli [2018-06-15 16:30]: > "New Lazy FP State Restore Vulnerability Affects All Intel Core CPUs" According to the DragonFlyBSD list, this doesn't affect Linux. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dy

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

Antony Stone [2018-06-20 17:36]: > No, I think Adam's point was that if you have a 686 kernel on a 386 machine, > replacing it for a 386 kernel is easy (relatively speaking), but if you have > the complete system binaries and libraries built for 686 on a 386 machine, > replacing that lot is bas

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

Rick Moen [2018-07-09 21:01]: > 'netstat' in the 21st Century is spelled 'ss'. ;-> > https://dougvitale.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/ Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only commands that are no better? -- Hilsen

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

Rick Moen [2018-07-10 00:31]: > Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com): > >> Why, oh why replace well-known, portable commands with Linux-only >> commands that are no better? > > At your convenience look up how many years the net-tools codebase has > been orphaned

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

Rick Moen [2018-07-10 10:30]: > Was there something that lead you to believe it had become illegal to > use unmaintained code? Otherwise, I find the basis of your question > quite difficult to understand. Don't be ridiculous. I just think it would be better to maintain the old commands instead o

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

Rowland Penny [2018-07-10 14:37]: > The problem is that it is probably easier to start anew rather than > trying to update/maintain an existing project. You have to contact the > existing maintainer (and you could have problems actually finding the > maintainer), get their permission to update the

Re: [DNG] who's tying up my port 80?

Rowland Penny [2018-07-10 15:44]: > On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:36:46 +0200 > Harald Arnesen wrote: > >> Rowland Penny [2018-07-10 14:37]: >> >> > The problem is that it is probably easier to start anew rather than >> > trying to update/maintain an existin

Re: [DNG] I'm not going to respond to messages like that.

Rick Moen [2018-07-26 19:38]: > Quoting Basati (bas...@basatu.org): > >> I think there should be a little more respect for Europe's greatest >> cultural treasure. > > I hope you understand that I was speaking in _exactly_ that spirit. (In > case it wasn't clear, the person of whom I was saying

Re: [DNG] This is a losing battle, against the propaganda of redhat.

Steve Litt [2018-07-26 18:44]: > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 18:00:45 +0200 > Basati wrote: > >> I would like to recall that RedHat is a company of the American >> military complex. With close relations with civil intelligence and >> the military of the United States > > Damn Americans! Every one of th

Re: [DNG] We can't stop wars and diseases yet, but we got rid of systemd

Steve Litt [2018-08-16 17:27]: > 1) At $14.50/month (Swiss Franc == $), it's 3 times the price of many >American VM vendors. > > 2) Unlike American vendors, their Terms of Service contain no >Indemnification clause, no heads-I-win-tails-you-lose, no book >length essays. This fact alon

Re: [DNG] No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.

goli...@dyne.org [2018-08-31 19:10]: > Use the default Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy theme. Most other themes > cannot render the gtk3 properly. xfce4 terminal looks great here. Or AguaLemon, which looks much better (this is obviously a matter of taste). -- Hilsen Harald ___

Re: [DNG] misc bugs

william moss [2018-09-05 18:49]: > The X display managers all have problems. I found wdm, which is > basically a friendlier xdm, the only reliable one. lxdm also works > (mostly). This problem was not present with the system board graphics > (Intel) but appeared with an Nvidia GT750 chip set PCiE

Re: [DNG] Second system effect: was Mailman replacement

Rick Moen [2018-09-11 21:48]: > You're very welcome. I'll also add that, if you haven't yet read Fred > Brooks's classic about software engineering, _The Mythical Man-Month_, > from which the term comes, you have a treat in store for yourself. It's > both enlightening and entertaining. One of t

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

Steve Litt [20/10/2018 18.39]: > I want to make a VM from devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_qemu.qcow2.xz > > After 15 minutes googling and reading Devuan docs, I have nothing that > works. How do I unarchive the file? Could you please put the method in > the README file? $ aptitude search xz ... i xz-

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

Adam Borowski [20/10/2018 22.54]: > Anything else has been obsoleted and should be deprecated: > * gzip is venerable and had seen so much use in the past that it won't ever > go away. But you shouldn't use it: it's speed is same as xz at level 2.5 > but compression ratio is drastically worse.

Re: [DNG] Excessive Bounces

Linux O'Beardly [10/29/18 2:40 AM]: > Is anyone else using a gmail account getting excessive bounce errors > from the DNG mailing list? It keeps locking out my account.  I'm not > having any issues with any of my other mailing lists. Yes, same here. -- Hilsen Harald _

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Irrwahn [11/16/18 9:10 PM]: > On System V Release 4 and later /bin has already been a symlink to > /usr/bin, and Solaris implemented the /usr merge about a decade ago. > Effectively, only some Unices and some Linux based distributions are > the odd ones out in that respect. And all the BSDs, ma

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

Hendrik Boom [11/16/18 7:08 PM]: > (2) What is initramfs good for? Early loading of CPU microcode update. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

Arnt Karlsen [11/17/18 12:58 AM]: > On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 23:45:39 +0100, Harald wrote in message > : > >> Hendrik Boom [11/16/18 7:08 PM]: >> >> > (2) What is initramfs good for? >> >> Early loading of CPU microcode update. > > > ..this is the only good reason for it? Not the only good rea

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Alessandro Selli [11/17/18 1:48 PM]: > > Il 16/11/18 23:44, Harald Arnesen ha scritto: >> Irrwahn [11/16/18 9:10 PM]: >> >>> On System V Release 4 and later /bin has already been a symlink to >>> /usr/bin, and Solaris implemented the /usr merge about a de

Re: [DNG] initramfs?

Alessandro Selli [11/19/18 1:37 AM]: > On 18/11/18 at 10:18, aitor_czr wrote: > >> >> Hendrik, you can uncompress the content of the initrd.img by the >> following way: >> >> 1) Rename it to initrd.gz and use gunzip: >> >> # mv initrd.img initrd.gz >> # gunzip initrd.gz > Sorry to disappoint you

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Rick Moen [20/11/2018 20.04]: > Since the gentleman seemed not to be familiar with make-kpkg in package > kernel-package, perhaps he should start there. (However, I believe it's > now deprecated as of Debian stretch, and being replaced by newer > automation tool deb-pkg, and coverage in The Debia

Re: [DNG] My setup, and why I like it

spiralofhope [24.11.2018 22:17]: >> Drive encryption has advantages in terms of keeping secrets and >> foiling the evil-maid scenario. > I always thought an evil maid could fiddle with the bootloader/etc or > root to wholly compromise the system somewhat easily, and then it's > just a matter of w

Re: [DNG] Please don't imply this kind of equality: was Re: End of free open source software?

goli...@devuan.org [11.05.2021 20:07]: > Please let this useless thread die and get back to discussions about > free software and making Devuan the best alternative without systemd > lock-in. Thanks. You beat me to it. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng maili

Re: [DNG] Devuan for WSL

Linux O'Beardly via Dng [15.07.2021 19:57]: > Has anyone attempted and/or had success at creating a WSL distribution > from a Devuan docker image? I started a new gig and am stuck with a > Windows laptop, but they will allow us to run WSL. Any info would be > greatly appreciated.  Not from a dock

Re: [DNG] [OT] British vs American language

Steve Litt [28/07/2021 21.47]: Don't forget Southern California Coastal English: - Ate it - Ate concrete - Wiped out - Got Maytagged - Faceplant - Roadrash - Stoked - Gnarly (antideluvian from 80's) And then the Jamaicans, and the English-speaking Indians, the Aussies, the Kiwis...

Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge?

william moss via Dng [05/11/2021 22.49]: BSD and system V (AT&T/Bell Labs System Five) switched more than a decade ago. Certainly not FreeBSD: $ uname -or FreeBSD 13.0-STABLE $ ls /bin | wc -l 44 $ ls /usr/bin | wc -l 488 -- Hilsen Harald

Re: [DNG] What not to back up

Steve Litt [23/11/2021 21.48]: The majority of files in /home/yourname are useless. /home/yourname is a mishmash of stuff you created, settings you use, and useless crap like cache. It's huge and ugly. For that reason I create other top leve

Re: [DNG] new firefox-esr buggy?

Radisson via Dng [17/12/2021 21.04]: Another symptom: when the cursor is moved to or away from the scroll bar, the grey scrollbar is broken into a vertical set of grey and light grey lines for about a second. When I drag the scrollbar to scroll text, text and images are broken up by horizontal w

Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox

Steve Litt [22/12/2021 12.15]: The easy suggestion is you can install xfce to get its apps, including the pretty nice xfce4-terminal ^^^ and extremely slow -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyn

Re: [DNG] Website "motto"?

Karl Hammar [19/01/2022 18.19]: What is that "if" about, ohh, it is an acronym... Unfortunately it looks like this insurance company's logotype: https://www.if.se/ so, I'd say we cannot use it (it really make me wounder why the authorities allows thoose names). If is owned by the Finnish co

Re: [DNG] Lennart now working for Microsoft

Steve Litt [08/07/2022 15.57]: What scares me is if he starts putting Microsoft-centric stuff in systemd, Linux will need to either migrate away from systemd Wouldn't that be what we all want? or be subsumed by microsoft. Won't happen. -- Hilsen Harald Слава Україні! _

Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color

goli...@dyne.org [30/01/2019 18.04]: > Yeah, it's a rat's nest for sure but I've managed to fake it so far. Now > deep into theming beowulf which requires way too many late, late nights Care to explain what this is? The Ascii theme is - ok - so what's to change for Beowulf? -- Hilsen Harald _

[DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the dist-upgrade a couple of times and removing a couple of things. But it boots and works ok now. With the exeption of GIMP. That one gives the following error: $ gim

Re: [DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

Harald Arnesen [02.02.2019 18:20]: > I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It > needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the > dist-upgrade a couple of times and removing a couple of things. But it > boots and works ok now. >

Re: [DNG] Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

KatolaZ [02.02.2019 20:27]: > On Sat, Feb 02, 2019 at 06:20:50PM +0100, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: >> I have tried to upgrade two of my machines from ASCII to Beowulf. It >> needed some fiddling with "apt --fix-broken install", trying the >> dist-upgrade a couple

Re: [DNG] *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Upgraded to Beowulf, GIMP is broken

Dr. Nikolaus Klepp [03.02.2019 00:31]: > Ok. I found another way: install "libdvd-pkg", this downloads and builds > libdvdcss2. And I now I can confirm that dmo repository breaks gimp. I'm just > now cleaning my system from all dmo packages. Yes, I can confirm that Gimp works when I remove all

Re: [DNG] Creating directory in /var/run on bootup

Rowland Penny via Dng [05/02/2019 21.59]: >>   I think you meant to write: >> >> if [ ! -d /var/run/barman ]; then mkdir -p /var/run/barman; fi >> > > even better: > > [[ -d /var/run/barman ]] || mkdir -p /var/run/barman Or even simpler: mkdir -p /var/run/barman If the directory or any of i

Re: [DNG] logging uses of machine-id

KatolaZ [12/03/2019 22.54]: > I am not saying these are not valid complaints, quite the opposite. I > am just saying that I accepted years ago that the way I use Linux is > not the same other users use it, and I have to keep this in mind if I > want to contribute to Devuan. Well said. Having used

Re: [DNG] Fwd: April's fools mess

Mike Bird [01.04.2019 20:43]: > Authorised access does not make wrongdoing lawful. The other Devuan > admins urgently need to remove you, consult a lawyer or the police, > replace all authorisation tokens and keys, and rebuild from trusted > sources. > > Or they could let Devuan revert to a toy

Re: [DNG] Fonts trouble on beowulf

Den 08.01.2020 19:16, skrev Dimitris via Dng: On 1/8/20 8:07 PM, Rowland penny via Dng wrote: if you are referring to the mythical bird that rises from the ashes "φοίνιξ" in ancient greek. any latin-based name, is just a derivative. :D I was going to say the same, but it bears more weight w

Re: [DNG] Which DE?

al3xu5 / dotcommon [25/02/2020 16.29]: > I am using Devuan (2.1) + MATE DE since 08/2016... > Now I wish to change DE but I am in doubt: XFCE or LXDE or LXQt??? Do you drink beer or wine, Pepsi or Coke? Same thing. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing lis

Re: [DNG] Ascii to Beowulf upgrade - 32% slowdown !

Patrick Erdmann [13.06.2020 12:24]: > My test case is compiling ArcticFox, thus something in the realm of > Firefox: lots of compiler activity, make, disk access, make and python. > But, of course, predominant factor is compilation and linking. > > With ascii, I was consistently (= not just one b

Re: [DNG] How to mount NTFS

Haines Brown [07.08.2020 18:19]: > Yes, for sure. If you are right about the speed difference between > NTFS and ext4, then is there another FS that can be accessed by a > Windows machine that is not much slower than ext4? fat32. Or if you run a recent kernel on your Linux machine (Devuan 5.4 i

Re: [DNG] history

Steve Litt [08.08.2020 09:07]: > Is this enough neoliberal b*shit for you guys? More than enough. Can you guys move this discussion to another list? -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/

Re: [DNG] terminology

Curtis Maurand via Dng [24.08.2020 16:30]: > in plan9 everything is an object. Not at all. Everything is a file, not an object, whatever that is. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/lis

Re: [DNG] Danger: Debian POSIX hostility

Rick Moen [22.09.2020 20:11]: >> I worry about a different kind of portability. If I ever have to switch >> to BSD (and this remains a possibility, unfortunately), /bin/* shebangs >> will not work except for /bin/sh, and /bin/sh is always ash. That is >> because on BSD everything not in the core s

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

Rick Moen [25.12.2020 05:47]: > Here, my gift to thee and thee, for the Jul holiday (and let us remember > Poul and his wife Karen fondly): He was one of the great SF writers, sorely missed. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

Re: [DNG] Very offtopic: 70's music

aitor [05.03.2021 15:22]: > On the other hand, Steve, I would include Yoko Ono's long plays to your > list of punishments for those people in the hell forced to use systemd, > in addition to the normal > > fire and brimstone. Yoko Ono for eternity. So you WANT me to use Substance D (systemd), no

Re: [DNG] FSF and human rights

Steve Litt [26.03.2021 20:46]: > Before you sign anything or do anything, ask yourself if this is of top > importance to you. Are you willing to risk your career, your position > in your community, perhaps the positions of your family, to defend > Richard Stallman? Unless the answer is an unmitiga

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