Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread Didier Kryn
    Discussion on that subject has taken 95% of the bandwidth on the GCC development mailing list. I guess the same thing is hapenning in other projects and in GNU proper.     AFAIU the status of RMS in GCC's steering commitee is purely honorific and the debate is about denying him this honour.  

[DNG] Procmail on beowulf omits mbox separator

2021-03-31 Thread dvalin
The new beowulf 3.0.0 is nifty nice, but I'm foxed by procmailfailing to prepend an mbox separator to each delivered email,something which has been standard behaviour for decades,and essential for reading an mbox format mailbox. Invoking procmail in fetchmailrc via the mda option: $ more .fetch

Re: [DNG] Air-gapped Beowulf install w/ runit as init

2021-03-31 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi again, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng writes: > Hi all, > > I previously mentioned here[1,2] that the netinst ISO images are no use > for air-gapped installs. That was for Beowulf beta images and has been > addressed (at least partially, IIRC). Besides, it *is* documented[3]. > > So I have been usi

Re: [DNG] [3.0] Time in AM/PM format ??

2021-03-31 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi Dario, Adam, list, Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Dario Niedermann wrote: >> `date` suddenly tells the time in 12-hour format, regardless of $TZ >> (be it empty or 'Europe/'). >> >> Who told it to do that? I certainly didn't. >> >> I had already noticed this

Re: [DNG] [3.0] Time in AM/PM format ?? [SOLVED]

2021-03-31 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng
Hi Dario, Dario Niedermann writes: > Il 30/03/2021 alle 18:59, Adam Borowski ha scritto: > >>I bet your locale is set to en_US. > > Indeed it is! > > [...] >>So in Buster (and thus Beowulf and Chimaera), meaning of "en_US" >>changed to include that silly 12-hour time. > > Surely they couldn't avo

[DNG] Fwd: adding raspi to sources.list

2021-03-31 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 31-03-2021 00:46, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:44:24PM +0200, d...@d404.nl wrote: >> For my regular Pi's i just have the following in my apt sources >> >> deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main >> deb-src http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf main >> deb http://deb.de

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread Tony Thedford
On 3/31/21 10:53 AM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code >Which is very sad is that developpers or potential developpers seem to condition their future contribution to the decision - and they are on both sides. Wether customers of Free Softw

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 31/03/2021 à 18:12, Tony Thedford a écrit : > > I am wondering, what good are developers to the Linux community if > they are moving their projects more and more into the "evil" column? > What is needed are "good" developers and a total rejection of the > globalist cancel cultures. Project advan

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread Tony Thedford
I think it goes much deeper than that. In these days and times, those who control the world's software controls the world. It is literally a "good" vs "evil" event. The way we choose to view it will decide our future. On 3/31/21 11:41 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 31/03/2021 à 18:12, Tony Thedfor

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread golinux
In case you haven't noticed . . . we've already lost that battle. Those of us who oppose the trajectory may huddle in small ponds like Devuan but the masses will follow whatever paradigm our corporate masters/politicians are selling and eventually our "cause" will be lost in time. Humans may b

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread Tony Thedford
I also believe what you just said to be very true, the cancer is in irreversible control. Perhaps this human trait is why typically civilizations and countries only last a few hundred or couple of thousand years then disappear. On 3/31/21 12:41 PM, goli...@devuan.org wrote: In case you haven'

Re: [DNG] adding raspi to sources.list

2021-03-31 Thread tuxd3v
Hello, >For my Pi 1's and Zero's i have to specify the armel architecture because apparently Debian arm v6 does not exist. Devuan does have support for armel arch: You can see the Image for RaspBerry Pi 1 here:   http://arm-files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_armel_rpi1_0.4.img.xz

Re: [DNG] [3.0] Time in AM/PM format ??

2021-03-31 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 09:17:26PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > Hi Dario, Adam, list, > > Adam Borowski writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Dario Niedermann wrote: > >> `date` suddenly tells the time in 12-hour format, regardless of $TZ > >> (be it empty or 'Europe/

Re: [DNG] [3.0] Time in AM/PM format ??

2021-03-31 Thread karl
Hendrik: > I reset my personal day when I go to sleep at night. So when I'm a > night owl I'll cheerfully use times like 23:00, 24:00, 25:00 ..., all > treated as part of the same day. Reminds me of the municpal bus company in Stockholm, at least in the 80-ies, the day went on to I think 29:00

Re: [DNG] FSF, RMS and a danger to almost all GPL code

2021-03-31 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 12:54:07 -0500, Tony wrote in message <14564811-2130-7180-6027-e243671fe...@accesslab.com>: > I also believe what you just said to be very true, the cancer is in > irreversible control. Perhaps this human trait is why typically > civilizations and countries only last a few h

Re: [DNG] [3.0] Time in AM/PM format ??

2021-03-31 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 21:00:41 +0200 (CEST), k...@aspodata.se wrote in message <20210331190041.88ab78246...@turkos.aspodata.se>: > Hendrik: > > I reset my personal day when I go to sleep at night. So when I'm a > > night owl I'll cheerfully use times like 23:00, 24:00, 25:00 ..., > > all treated a

[DNG] minor panic with host reboot

2021-03-31 Thread crichmon
I've had a router/misc./etc. running ASCII for a couple of years, and today I inadvertently rebooted it because I wasn't playing attention to which host an xterm was logged into. Normally that wouldn't be a problem, but what happened is that I ended up with a grub minimal command prompt. I've no id

Re: [DNG] minor panic with host reboot

2021-03-31 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 1 Apr 2021, at 08:27, crich...@blackfoot.net wrote: > >  > I’ve had a router/misc./etc. running ASCII for a couple of years, and today I > inadvertently rebooted it > > because I wasn’t playing attention to which host an xterm was logged into. > Normally that wouldn’t > > be a problem

Re: [DNG] adding raspi to sources.list

2021-03-31 Thread tuxd3v
Hello Greg, - Mensagem de Gregory Nowak via Dng - >Data: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:46:54 -0700 >De: Gregory Nowak via Dng >Assunto: Re: [DNG] adding raspi to sources.list >Para: d...@d404.nl, dng@lists.dyne.org On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 09:44:24PM +0200, d...@d404.nl wrote:

Re: [DNG] adding raspi to sources.list

2021-03-31 Thread Gregory Nowak via Dng
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 03:59:01AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > >In the SBC world, kernels are tailored to specific hardware.. > > > >Installing a generic kernel without having the correct Device tree Source, > >or Binary files,or even the needed kernel drivers, will probably render > >your syste

Re: [DNG] minor panic with host reboot

2021-03-31 Thread tito via Dng
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:29:52 +1100 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > On 1 Apr 2021, at 08:27, crich...@blackfoot.net wrote: > > > >  > > I’ve had a router/misc./etc. running ASCII for a couple of years, > > and today I inadvertently rebooted it > > > > because I wasn’t playing attention