Re: [DNG] elogind available in experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 1/16/18, Andreas Messer wrote: ... > When elogind pam module is enabled, the session is correctly registered > with elogind. This can be done by following steps: Afaik pam module is required only for terminal sessions, for DM it usually isn't required unless your DM doesn't support it directly

Re: [DNG] elogind available in experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Andreas Messer
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 01:00:30PM +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > On 1/16/18, Andreas Messer wrote: > ... > > When elogind pam module is enabled, the session is correctly registered > > with elogind. This can be done by following steps: > > Afaik pam module is required only for terminal sessions,

Re: [DNG] elogind available in experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 1/16/18, Andreas Messer wrote: > Yes we have to figure out if any of the DM works without the pam stuff, but > there are people who use terminal sessions :-) And for them, enabling the Quite strange, but even systemd has the following pam config (only relevant part): Session: optional

Re: [DNG] elogind available in experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Hleb Valoshka
On 1/16/18, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not yet, devuan ci has issues with repos containing pristine-tar. I'll > build it locally and put it somewhere and then write its location > here. https://mega.nz/#!IMFCWRBQ!7xA2eH0PpMqF9v3WF4DhTnAgVFEjRW0pPskA2XaSO78 This tarball contains ve

Re: [DNG] elogind available in experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Didier Kryn
    Could you, experts, explain me (and maybe others) what the role of logind, consolekit and polkit is exactly?     What I understand from your discussion is that consolekit and logind are doing the same thing and stepping on each others feet. Gentoo's consolekit wiki tells the following: *

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-16 Thread Brad Campbell
On 14/01/18 06:30, KatolaZ wrote: The bet ingredient for a successful "Primary Plan" is to assume that there is no backup plan, an act accordingly ;) Quite on the contrary. Having a well formulated and tested backup plan means you won't need it. That applies as well to plans as it does to ba

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 01:42:26AM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 14/01/18 06:30, KatolaZ wrote: > >The bet ingredient for a successful "Primary Plan" is to assume that > >there is no backup plan, an act accordingly ;) > > Quite on the contrary. Having a well formulated and tested backup plan me

[DNG] elogind testing for experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Andreas Messer
Dear folks, since we have to test elogind now with various setups, KatolaZ asked me to write a short guide what needs to be tested. So here we go: Lets start with a short overview about what logind is: It is about session, user and seat management. Its main use is to track who is logged in by whi

Re: [DNG] elogind available in experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Andreas Messer
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 04:09:58PM +0300, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > On 1/16/18, Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Not yet, devuan ci has issues with repos containing pristine-tar. I'll > > build it locally and put it somewhere and then write its location > > here. > > https://mega.nz/#!I

Re: [DNG] elogind testing for experimental and ascii-proposed

2018-01-16 Thread Irrwahn
Andreas Messer wrote on 16.01.2018 22:24: > since we have to test elogind now with various setups, KatolaZ asked me to > write a short guide what needs to be tested. So here we go: [snipped procedure] I gave it a quick spin on my ascii VM with lightdm and XFCE: 1. Simply installing elogind caused

[DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-16 Thread jacksprat
I wanted to explore whether Devuan can provide a solution to the Spectre/Meltdown fiasco. Is there a guide to what elements of Devuan [jessie, ascii, ?] have been upgraded to address these issues? If I need to move to ascii to achieve this [I am on jessie], what do I need to put in /etc/apt/sourc

Re: [DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:33:41PM +, jacksprat wrote: > I wanted to explore whether Devuan can provide a solution to the > Spectre/Meltdown fiasco. Is there a guide to what elements of Devuan > [jessie, ascii, ?] have been upgraded to address these issues? > > If I need to move to ascii to a

Re: [DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-16 Thread marc
> I wanted to explore whether Devuan can provide a solution to the > Spectre/Meltdown fiasco. Is there a guide to what elements of Devuan > [jessie, ascii, ?] have been upgraded to address these issues? Spectre has no patch in the conventional sense. But there are two types of things one can do:

Re: [DNG] Help with Spectre and Meltdown

2018-01-16 Thread Irrwahn
marc wrote on 17.01.2018 07:27: [...] > * Stop running code which you don't trust. That comes in two forms: > Don't enable javascript on your browser, and don't use cloud-based > systems or virtual hosts. Those things you don't want to do anyway > if you care about security. > > Not sure how De