Re: [DNG] Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread Jaromil
hi William, thanks for your message :) its encouraging to read you. plus funny to read Devuan turning almost into a DonJuan :^D On Sat, 13 Jan 2018, William C Vaughan wrote: >From the perspective of a retired programmer/analyst, now >dilletante, you Dejuan folks are on the precipice of

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

2018-01-13 Thread marc
Regarding a new category and the proposed term: > Obfuscationware. > > New name for a new type of software that wasn't thought of a couple > decades ago: Otherwise free software with the intent and effect to > lessen our freedom to use our (other) software. > > I repeat: SystemD doesn't fit into

[DNG] Fosdem

2018-01-13 Thread Antony Stone
Hi. I'm just wondering whether the Devuan project will have any presence at https://fosdem.org/2018/ to let people know about progress (or even existence)? Antony. -- 3 logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks "Do you all want a drink?" The first logician says "I don't know." The second

Re: [DNG] Controlling screen brightness

2018-01-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 13/01/2018 à 03:12, Gregory Nowak a écrit : On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 10:20:06AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:     The brightness is controlled through 3 files in /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight, named actual_brightness, brightness and max_brightness.     The brightness can be controlled by

Re: [DNG] Fosdem

2018-01-13 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018, Antony Stone wrote: > Hi. I'm just wondering whether the Devuan project will have any > presence at https://fosdem.org/2018/ to let people know about > progress (or even existence)? we have a low-key presence which was facilitated by Loic Dachary, to whom I'm very grateful.

Re: [DNG] Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread aitor_czr
Hi William, On 13/01/18 01:18, William C Vaughan wrote: Lurker here. [cut] Following this stuff for a couple of years, playing with Dejuan The right term is DevJuan :) and its downstream variants with some success, some failures, but always interesting. I’m very empathetic to Steve Litt’

[DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:40:42 + KatolaZ wrote: > I don't see how what I said could make you considering getting back to > Debian, TBH :) It's very good to have backup plans, but choosing > Devuan is about going *forward*, not backward. YMMV though. The only reason I could imagine to go back f

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread Michael Siegel
Am 13.01.2018 um 18:02 schrieb Steve Litt: [snip] > * OpenBSD now has hardware assisted virtual machines and is a great > and stable "Linux". sed 's/Linux/Unix-like OS/' Also, there's a considerable (non-technical) difference between what GNU+Linux distributions like Devuan on the one side and

[DNG] Suspend

2018-01-13 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, I have a rather strange behavior recently with suspend. I usually suspend all my laptops to ram. I have two laptops, one with custom kernel (4.14.12) and one with the usual ascii kernel 4.14.0-3-686-pae (now). Both are ascii and both are 32bit.

Re: [DNG] Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org): > plus funny to read Devuan turning almost into a DonJuan :^D I look forward to quoting Don Giovanni's servant Leporello about Devuan adoptions: In Italia seicento e quaranta; In Alemagna, duecento e trentuna; Cento in Francia, in Turchia novantuna; M

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Michael Siegel (m...@malbolge.net): > Am 13.01.2018 um 18:02 schrieb Steve Litt: > > [snip] > > > * OpenBSD now has hardware assisted virtual machines and is a great > > and stable "Linux". > > sed 's/Linux/Unix-like OS/' > > Also, there's a considerable (non-technical) difference betw

Re: [DNG] Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread aitor_czr
On 13/01/18 22:59, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jaromil (jaro...@dyne.org): plus funny to read Devuan turning almost into a DonJuan :^D I look forward to quoting Don Giovanni's servant Leporello about Devuan adoptions: In Italia seicento e quaranta; In Alemagna, duecento e trentuna; Cen

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:02:22PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > > > My personal distro backup plan (i.e., what I would do if Devuan would > > not work fine for me at any given point in the future) consists in > > putting some more effort in making Devuan work better. And then a bit > > mor

Re: [DNG] Backup plans: was Which is free, which is open source, et al.

2018-01-13 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:30:29PM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:02:22PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > > > My personal distro backup plan (i.e., what I would do if Devuan would > > > not work fine for me at any given point in the future) consists in > > > putt

Re: [DNG] Suspend

2018-01-13 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 10:51:39PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > I have a rather strange behavior recently with suspend. > > I usually suspend all my laptops to ram. I have two laptops, one with > custom kernel (4.14.12) and one with the usual ascii kernel > 4.14.0-3-686-pae (now). Both are ascii a

Re: [DNG] Suspend

2018-01-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > And, in the recent KPTI (Meltdown, Spectre) massive workfest, I recall just > a single remark about 32-bit x86, which pretty much said that there are no > fixes for these issues, and mitigating them is not on anyone's priority. >

Re: [DNG] Suspend

2018-01-13 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:06:34PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > > And, in the recent KPTI (Meltdown, Spectre) massive workfest, I recall just > > a single remark about 32-bit x86, which pretty much said that there are no > > fixe