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Hello,
today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
starts to depend on library in /usr.
If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of
systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no initrd (what
On 11/06/2017 11:04 AM, Mike Schmitz wrote:
> I haven't had any problem with this. Well some choppiness when the
> computer/network is overworked doing something else...
I'm wondering if it's due to buffer underruns. Are these buffer sizes
the same as yours:?
../../../src/asound/bluealsa-pcm.
On 07/11/17 15:29, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
starts to depend on library in /usr.
Which binary? What library in /usr?
If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of
systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kern
Hallo Klaus,
Am 07/11/2017 um 15:29 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
> starts to depend on library in /usr.
>
> If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of
> systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no i
Am 07/11/2017 um 16:22 schrieb Evilham:
> This is currently the last pushed commit (Release 2.02.178-1):
> https://gitlab.com/debian-lvm/lvm2/commit/90bc98f3828032a1ad24daf14e2e2f2f704f1bd6
I meant 2.02.175-1, of course.
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m712 wrote:
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> On November 5, 2017 9:44:29 PM GMT+03:00, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> >The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be
> >collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'.
> They don't really need a group name, in my opinion. That
On 07/11/17 16:21, John Hughes wrote:
On 07/11/17 15:29, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
starts to depend on library in /usr.
Which binary? What library in /usr?
So, it seems some things depend on lz4. But nothing mentions it directly
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Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 16:21 schrieb John Hughes:
> On 07/11/17 15:29, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>
> > today I suffered by a heavy bug in lvm2. With version 2.02.175-1 it
> > starts to depend on library in /usr.
>
> Which binary? What library in /usr?
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Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 16:22 schrieb Evilham:
[broken lvm2 in debian]
> This is quite serious.
>
> If you found the issue only appears with 2.02.175-1, Devuan Jessie and
> Ascii would be safe, so no need to worry yet. We do have to keep track
> o
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Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 16:50 schrieb John Hughes:
> So, it seems some things depend on lz4. But nothing mentions it directly.
>
> But, here's the problem -- lvm2 depends on
> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libsystemd.so.0 and *that* depends on liblz4.
>
Am 07/11/2017 um 17:00 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> The first broken version is 2.02.175-1, or other way, the last working
> version is 2.02.173-1.
>
>> So, could you please also file a bug report in Devuan with a link to
>> Debian's bug report? Use bugs.devuan.org for that.
> Done.
>
>> Change log an
Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 17:00 schrieb Klaus Ethgen:
> > So, could you please also file a bug report in Devuan with a link to
> > Debian's bug report? Use bugs.devuan.org for that.
>
> Done.
Hmm... Doesn't seem to work. I sent the attached mail but nothing
happened.
Regards
Klaus
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On 07/11/17 16:50, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
If you have an seperate /usr (what is not supported by the ignorance of
systemd) and that /usr on lvm and a kernel with no initrd (what does not
exist in the ignorance of systemd), then you are doomed and your system
will not boot anymore.
What does this
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Am Di den 7. Nov 2017 um 17:07 schrieb John Hughes:
> > Well, Debian deprecated a separate /usr as systemd is not working good
> > with a separate /usr.
>
> They actually deprecated it as many things were not working with a separate
> /usr. system
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Klaus
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On 07/11/17 17:13, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
[ separate / and /usr ] is the best way to keep your /usr flexible to
further lvm grows for example.
Personally I have a / on a lvm2 volume. Works OK for me, I see no loss
in flexibility.
Like I say, SVR4.2 deprecated separate /usr in the 1990's. I ha
On 11/07/2017 10:29 AM, John Hughes wrote:
> On 07/11/17 17:13, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
>> [ separate / and /usr ] is the best way to keep your /usr flexible to
>> further lvm grows for example.
>
> Personally I have a / on a lvm2 volume. Works OK for me, I see no loss
> in flexibility.
Until a us
On 07/11/17 17:41, dev wrote:
On 11/07/2017 10:29 AM, John Hughes wrote:
On 07/11/17 17:13, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
[ separate / and /usr ] is the best way to keep your /usr flexible to
further lvm grows for example.
Personally I have a / on a lvm2 volume. Works OK for me, I see no loss
in flexi
On 07/11/17 17:50, John Hughes wrote:
The separation of / and /usr is a relic of really, really tiny disk
sizes.
(The first machine I used had 8 megacharacter disks -- not megabyte,
megacharacter. Six bit characters. Ok, it didn't run Unix. :-)).
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Thank you.
I performed the update yesterday and, with only a few minor changes, was
able to get the client's server back. This was, without a doubt, the
easiest dist-upgrade I have done in around 20 years of running Debian
systems.
Ran into a few minor issues, which I'll record here in case anyon
On 11/07/2017 10:50 AM, John Hughes wrote:
> Neither /home not /var are on /, for obvious reasons. / is for
> mostly-static things that are owned by the OS or the admin.
Ah, I misunderstood. Apologies for the static.
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On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
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>Klaus
Good things happen to those who can wait ;)
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On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 11:32:14AM -0600, R. W. Rodolico wrote:
> Thank you.
>
> I performed the update yesterday and, with only a few minor changes, was
> able to get the client's server back. This was, without a doubt, the
> easiest dist-upgrade I have done in around 20 years of running Debian
>
Hello
> I come from a Unix background -- separate /usr was deprecated in the 1990's
> with SVR4.2, I'm kind of amazed it took Linux so long to catch up.
Clearly I must have been working in a parallel universe - the
commercial unix systems that I remember from the 90s did have
/usr and / (some als
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 09:09:27AM -0600, dev wrote:
>
>
> On 11/06/2017 11:04 AM, Mike Schmitz wrote:
> >
> > I haven't had any problem with this. Well some choppiness when the
> > computer/network is overworked doing something else...
>
> I'm wondering if it's due to buffer underruns. Are th
Hi Jack,
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, jack wrote:
> I have been stumped by a problem with Devuan 1-beta running on 6th
> generation Intel processors [i5-6200u, celeron n3050]. I am using openbox
> as a window manager/desktop [but same happens with XFCE4], starting from a
> tty with:
>
> startx
>
> w
Quoting John Hughes (j...@atlantech.com):
> The separation of / and /usr is a relic of really, really tiny disk sizes.
It _originated_ in everything not fitting on one disk on Ken Thompson
and Dennis Ritchie's PDP-11, at a point in 1971, originally as a place
for user home directories. Rob Landl
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:08:08 -1000, Joel wrote in message
<20171107220808.GA18903@sprite>:
> Hi Jack,
>
> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, jack wrote:
> > I have been stumped by a problem with Devuan 1-beta running on 6th
> > generation Intel processors [i5-6200u, celeron n3050]. I am using
> > openbox as
On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 21:30:02 +0100
marc wrote:
> Hello
Hi Marc,
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Quote from John Hughes
> > I come from a Unix background -- separate /usr was deprecated in
> > the 1990's with SVR4.2, I'm kind of amazed it took Linux so long to
> > catch up.
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 09:33:30PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> John Hughes' sole function on DNG is to say, in many different ways,
> "systemd isn't so bad." Given that systemd being bad is the
> foundational belief that created the Devuan project thus the DNG list,
> he knows he's just making troub
On Wed, 8 Nov 2017 06:20:40 +0100
Adam Borowski wrote:
> I don't get why you'd want to keep moving things around on the real
> system if you can isolate it into initrd.
Because putting it into initramfs not only isolates it, but in fact
hides it in a black box.
You can't just pop up in your in
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Systemd is bad, but dropping the pretense that following the needs of _one_
> particular stone-age PDP install is sound design is not bad.
It would be illogical to assert that the only conceivable justification
for separate /usr was Thompson & Richie
On 08/11/17 03:33, Steve Litt wrote:
1) If a tree falls in the woods but there's nobody to hear it, did it
make a sound?
Recommended reading for Steve Litt and others who use a kill-file (not
that he'll see this):
Wave Without a Shore by C.J. Cherryh
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Quoting John Hughes (j...@atlantech.com):
> Wave Without a Shore by C.J. Cherryh
Review by Randy Byers: http://randy-byers.livejournal.com/600709.html
(This Cherryh short novel is most often found, these days, in omnibus
volume _Alternate Realities_, with two other short novels.)
Your implicat
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, jack wrote:
I have been stumped by a problem with Devuan 1-beta running on 6th
generation Intel processors [i5-6200u, celeron n3050].
You can try a linux kernel from backports.
Jochen
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Am Mittwoch, 8. November 2017 schrieb Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 7 Nov 2017 21:30:02 +0100
> marc wrote:
>
> > Hello
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> ===
> Quote from John Hughes
> > > I come from a Unix background -- separate /usr was deprecated in
> > > the 1990's w
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