Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 01:56:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > As my next music playback machine I may even use such a Pine64. As anything > from ThinkPad X240 and upwards appears to be "protected" by Intel Boot Guard > Verified Boot crap, instead of just offering the Measured Boot feat

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 08:24:34PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > There is always one reason or another for "a start job is running for - > network interfaces/disks/etc)" which halts the entire boot process > "faster", even without those it still is much slower than devuan. Wow! Systemd even hal

Re: [DNG] Bluetooth headset on Devuan?

2017-11-01 Thread dev
On 10/31/2017 12:42 PM, Mike Schmitz wrote: > > Another project has picked up the ball and run with it, though. It works > for me (SoundBot SB220) > > https://github.com/Arkq/bluez-alsa > Nice! I've got it almost working. I'm stuck on "Couldn't get BlueALSA transport: No such device" Any thoug

Re: [DNG] Runit for Devuan: was Debian testing drop redis

2017-11-01 Thread m712
On October 28, 2017 11:22:49 AM GMT+03:00, Rick Moen wrote: >(But sure, fixing the runit-init package >would be a nice-to-have.) I have a proposal for this. Basically, have an install script which does something like this (I'm not familiar with the Debian packaging scripts so assume it's sh):

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread zap
I like to think of systemd as the lazy man's solution to init.  I am not really a developer persay, but you guys seem to convey what I just said and what I am about to say, systemd slogan, "*IF it isn't broken*... *Break IT!*" Also another slogan for systemd: "*The**Donald Trump**of **Init*!" an

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 10:12:53AM -0400, zap wrote: > I like to think of systemd as the lazy man's solution to init.  I am not > really a developer persay, but you guys seem to convey what I just said > and what I am about to say, > > systemd slogan, "*IF it isn't broken*... *Break IT!*" > > Als

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread Juergen Moebius
Hi KatolaZ, On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 15:32:53AM GMT 15:32 KatolaZ wrote: > A modest proposal: if people have some time to spare for Devuan, it > would be useful at this point to start testing all the possible > upgrade paths to Devuan Ascii it is possible to install a fresh "full" copy of ascii, n

[DNG] Fresh install of Ascii (was Re: Redhat CEO answers questions)

2017-11-01 Thread Lars Noodén
On 11/01/2017 05:04 PM, Juergen Moebius wrote: > it is possible to install a fresh "full" copy of ascii, not an update? > I neverless updated my systems, sorry. A new installation is allways > the better way for my. Not yet. rsyslog is still missing. So that has to be carried forward from Jessie

Re: [DNG] Fresh install of Ascii (was Re: Redhat CEO answers questions)

2017-11-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 05:06:58PM +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 11/01/2017 05:04 PM, Juergen Moebius wrote: > > it is possible to install a fresh "full" copy of ascii, not an update? > > I neverless updated my systems, sorry. A new installation is allways > > the better way for my. > > Not yet.

Re: [DNG] Fresh install of Ascii (was Re: Redhat CEO answers questions)

2017-11-01 Thread Lars Noodén
On 11/01/2017 05:16 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 05:06:58PM +0200, Lars Nood�n wrote: >> On 11/01/2017 05:04 PM, Juergen Moebius wrote: >>> it is possible to install a fresh "full" copy of ascii, not an update? >>> I neverless updated my systems, sorry. A new installation is allways

Re: [DNG] Fresh install of Ascii (was Re: Redhat CEO answers questions)

2017-11-01 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2017-11-01 at 17:06 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 11/01/2017 05:04 PM, Juergen Moebius wrote: > > it is possible to install a fresh "full" copy of ascii, not an update? > > I neverless updated my systems, sorry. A new installation is allways > > the better way for my. > > Not yet.  rsyslo

Re: [DNG] Fresh install of Ascii (was Re: Redhat CEO answers questions)

2017-11-01 Thread Juergen Moebius
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 16:16:58PM GMT KatolaZ wrote: > It is nevertheless possible to install ascii from scratch using the > jessie netinst image in expert mode, and fiddling with the repos on > /target before the actual installation starts, but it's not > recommended, and it will not be useful at

Re: [DNG] Fresh install of Ascii (was Re: Redhat CEO answers questions)

2017-11-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 04:48:46PM +0100, Juergen Moebius wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 16:16:58PM GMT KatolaZ wrote: > > It is nevertheless possible to install ascii from scratch using the > > jessie netinst image in expert mode, and fiddling with the repos on > > /target before the actual inst

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:47:51 +0100 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as much as I > > > can in loaded software. Just enough firmware to a

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread zap
> Sorry for interrupting, but I was wondering whether this discussion is > useful at all to Devuan. Please don't get me wrong: you are free to > continue, but really, what's the point? Sorry, couldn't resist making some humor out of an annoying situation. > > systemd is a reality, and making sad

Re: [DNG] Bluetooth headset on Devuan?

2017-11-01 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 08:31:55AM -0500, dev wrote: > On 10/31/2017 12:42 PM, Mike Schmitz wrote: > > > > > Another project has picked up the ball and run with it, though. It works > > for me (SoundBot SB220) > > > > https://github.com/Arkq/bluez-alsa > > > > Nice! I've got it almost working.

Re: [DNG] Bluetooth headset on Devuan?

2017-11-01 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 01:43:32PM -0700, Mike Schmitz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 08:31:55AM -0500, dev wrote: > > On 10/31/2017 12:42 PM, Mike Schmitz wrote: > > > > > > > > Another project has picked up the ball and run with it, though. It works > > > for me (SoundBot SB220) > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 at 12:41:47 +0100 Adam Borowski wrote: [...] > The "secure" world marks certain resources (memory regions, interrupts, > peripherals, etc). Upon an attempt to access a marked resource, there's a > "world switch" that most of us would call an "interrupt" (except that they > d

Re: [DNG] Bluetooth headset on Devuan?

2017-11-01 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 02:14:27PM -0700, Mike Schmitz wrote: > On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 01:43:32PM -0700, Mike Schmitz wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 01, 2017 at 08:31:55AM -0500, dev wrote: > > > On 10/31/2017 12:42 PM, Mike Schmitz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Another project has picked up the ball and

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 15:27:48 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 31 Oct 2017 11:47:51 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > >> Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: >>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 >>> >>> Martin Steigerwald wrote: Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 08:57:30 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 08:24:34PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >> There is always one reason or another for "a start job is running for - >> network interfaces/disks/etc)" which halts the entire boot process >> "faster", even without th

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread taii...@gmx.com
On 11/01/2017 08:23 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 01:56:06PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: As my next music playback machine I may even use such a Pine64. As anything from ThinkPad X240 and upwards appears to be "protected" by Intel Boot Guard Verified Boot crap, instead of

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread zap
>> Wow! Systemd even halts faster! > Only if you keep the power button pressed long enough. Yay, someone else is a joker. ;) > > Alessandro > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-11-01 Thread zap
>> You might consider the Purism laptops, one of which has a detachable >> keyboard.  https://puri.sm/products/ > https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3anjgm/on_the_librem_laptop_purism_doesnt_believe_in/ > > They aren't worth it. Yep mhm, they are deliberately lying too people saying they have

Re: [DNG] Redhat CEO answers questions

2017-11-01 Thread Adam Borowski
On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 12:27:37AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 08:57:30 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 08:24:34PM -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > >> There is always one reason or another for "a start job is running for - > >> network interface

[DNG] Thunderbird broken dependencies in security update

2017-11-01 Thread J. Fahrner
Hi, there is a Thunderbird security update available in stable-security, which updates Thunderbird from version 45 to 52. The thunderbird-l10n-* packages still require version 45. apt-get output: The following packages have unmet dependencies: thunderbird-l10n-de : Depends: thunderbird (< 1:4