On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
> I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
> enforce Devuan developers to offer Gnome. Devuans goal is to offer a Linux
> system without systemd.
Errr, Devuan's reason for _existing_ is to eschew systemd. Absolutely
nothing can
Has anyone tried out Yunit on Devuan? It’s a community fork of the Unity 8 code
that was abandoned after Ubuntu switched to Gnome for their next release.
https://yunit.io/
https://yunit.io/yunit-packages-for-debian-stable-testing-and-unstable/
—Tom___
On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
> > And that's not possible for Gnome, because Gnome depends on systemd.
> > If you want Gnome you have to live with sys
On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
> > On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > > I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
>
> > > And that's not possible for Gnome, because Gnome depends on syste
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 17:44:35 +1000, Tom wrote in message
<97dde69e-3904-4abe-9acf-7fa2f104b...@gmail.com>:
> Has anyone tried out Yunit on Devuan? It’s a community fork of the
> Unity 8 code that was abandoned after Ubuntu switched to Gnome for
> their next release.
>
> https://yunit.io/
>
> ht
After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my
system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd
I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list of
instalable packages.
Why are there so many ?
My source list:
deb http://
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 05:20:05AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in Synaptic that my
> system did not have any infection of the systemd pox.apt search systemd
>
> I was surprised to see all those systemd packages appear in the list
Hi there
On 18/09/17 22:35, dev wrote:
Anyone know if there is an Apulse package for Devuan? I thought I had it
working a couple months back but now, on a different machine, I
cannot find the Apulse package. I don't remember how I got it working.
Checking google of course brings up the git r
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages related to Gnome, 303 of which have
Gnome in their name.
So go ahe
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message
<20170920092908.gr23...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 05:20:05AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> > After upgrading to Devuan Jessie, curiosity made me chack in
> > Synaptic that my system did not have any infecti
> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> be or become agnostic on init systems.
That doesn’t surprise me, considering Ubuntu was using Unity for a lon
El 20/09/17 a les 11:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
>
> There are in the Devuan repo 557 packages
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> Have you tried to install any of them?
No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
Cheers,
Ron.
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They want us to be afraid, to hate, so
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 06:03:21AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 10:29:08 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Have you tried to install any of them?
>
> No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
>
You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattl
Could Devuan project itself open a bug in bugzilla.gnome.org about
issues without Systemd?
El 18/09/17 a les 09:02, Narcis Garcia ha escrit:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
> _
Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug
when
necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is not supported at
all, this means I need some other way to work on this.
IMHO this would be the best option for you. Why do y
El 20/09/17 a les 12:43, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
>
>> I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug when
>> necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is not supported at
>> all, this means I need some other way to work on thi
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:50:55PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 20/09/17 a les 12:43, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> > Am 2017-09-20 11:59, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
> >
> >> I like to rely on distribution's packages and be able to open a bug when
> >> necessary about it. If Devuan's people say Gnome is
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome.
Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted
diseases...
Cheers,
Ron.
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
KatolaZ wrote:
> > > Have you tried to install any of them?
> > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
> You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake
How do you know a priori that the snake is toothless ?
Cheers,
* On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
> be or become agnostic on init systems.
I read the forum pos
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:01:20AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > > > Have you tried to install any of them?
>
> > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
>
> > You shouldn't be scared of a too
Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.
Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of
services too.
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:00:06AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 12:50:55 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
> > I prefer the best (for me) of all worlds: No Systemd, but Yes Gnome.
>
> Which is like wanting unprotected sex, but without sexually transmitted
> diseases...
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 20.09.17, 07:01:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100
>
> KatolaZ wrote:
> > > > Have you tried to install any of them?
> > >
> > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick
> >
> > You shouldn't be scared of a toothless rattlesnake
>
> Ho
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting...
I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox...
Cheers,
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Control of the flow of information
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 06:08:46 -0500, Nate wrote in message
<20170920110846.ge3...@n0nb.us>:
> * On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
> > and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
> > "systemd is not a w
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 07:38:28AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 13:35:42 +0200
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > And yeah, an analogy that makes systemd a disease is fitting...
>
> I know, been refering to it for ages as a pox...
It's funnier in Polish where colloquial wo
Le 20/09/2017 à 13:08, Nate Bargmann a écrit :
I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
Services, yes, an init, not so much.
Excellent argument to oppose to those peole still claiming Systemd
is an init system.
Didier
_
On 09/18/2017 03:02 AM, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome in Devuan 8/9 ?
>
> I need this to migrate desktop users from Debian & Ubuntu.
>
While as others have said Gnome is an intertwined mess with systemd,
there has been a continuing effort by dantrell to k
> On 20 Sep 2017, at 21:08, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> * On 2017 20 Sep 04:01 -0500, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
>> ..these https://forum.yunit.io/search.php?keywords=systemd
>> and https://yunit.io/?s=systemd would if anything, suggest
>> "systemd is not a worry here.", which might mean they might
On 09/20/2017 04:47 AM, Rob van der Putten wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have it working on Devuan and Firefox 55.0.3 64bit ?
>
> How about FF and Jackd?
> I don't use Jack myself, but a lot people do.
IIRC Jack, ALSA and Pulseaudio are three completely different software
stacks. Firefox, as compiled fr
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:16 AM, Erik Christiansen
> wrote:
>
> On 20.09.17 09:55, Svante Signell wrote:
>> On Wed, 2017-09-20 at 17:41 +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote:
>>> On 19.09.17 15:56, J. Fahrner wrote:
I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they try to
>>
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 19/09/2017 à 15:00, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
>> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
>> unexperienced and normal people.
>
>Are you kidding? I consider myself an experienced user and cannot make
> sense
Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin:
Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
*packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
rebuilt without systemd.
Give it a try. Please build the gnome packages from scratch and report
back with where
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
> rebuilt without systemd.
>
> Give it a try. Please build the gnome packages from scratch and
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:33 AM, J. Fahrner wrote:
>
> Am 2017-09-20 17:19, schrieb John Franklin:
>
>> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
>> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
>> rebuilt without systemd.
>> Give it a try. Plea
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Alessandro Selli
> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 at 11:19:51 -0400
> John Franklin wrote:
>
>
>> Your premise that “Gnome depends on systemd” is false. The current
>> *packages* may depend on systemd, but I’ll bet they can be patched and
>> rebuilt without s
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
> attract more users to Devuan.
Serious question: Do we want that kind of user? Somebody who knows
enough
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 09:59:10AM -0500, dev wrote:
> IIRC Jack, ALSA and Pulseaudio are three completely different software
> stacks. Firefox, as compiled from mozilla, will only work with
> Pulseaudio. Their official reasoning[1] was:
>
> "Make Pulse Audio a hard dependency on Linux so that w
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS.
>
> You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions
> Firefox has.
At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome).
I don't know why so m
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:47:05 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
> > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS.
> >
> > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy
> > extensions Firefox has.
>
> At _least_ try Chro
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
> > > I guess I am switching to Chrome. Another sad day for FOSS.
> >
> > You don't want that pile of spyware, it lacks any basic privacy extensions
> > Firefox has.
>
> At _least_ try Chr
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
> John Franklin wrote:
>
>
>> That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
>> gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
>> attract more users to Devuan.
>
> Serio
On 2017-09-20 14:22, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 2:07 PM, Steve Litt
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:31:38 -0400
John Franklin wrote:
That said, there are plenty who either like it or at least have
gotten used to it. If we could get Gnome working here, it would
attract more user
> All web browsers suck, and take turns at being the champions of
> suckatude. For the last three months, Chromium has sucked the least for
> me. I felt guilty because it was a Google product, but Rick has a
> point: ChromIUM is a free software product.
>
> If you use Google maps (I unfortunately
Adam Borowski - 20.09.17, 21:21:
> On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
[…]
> But, chromium as in Debian/Devuan is not good either:
> https://bugs.debian.org/792580 claims it phones home even in "incognito"
> mode -- and not jus
> Huh? I think uBlock Origin is superior to Adblock in every aspect.
>
> Thanks,
I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound.
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> The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here.
> The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails
> because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed with different build
> options. The second is “fundamentally and irreparably depends on systemd
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Most people seem to be using these two names interchangeably, even though,
> as you rightfully point, they do differ. I did not go into a tangent of
> correcting this as it was not relevant to bashing PulseAudio.
'Ah, the rare valid point', as Josh
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de):
> I would agree adblock is much more memory intensive and ethically unsound.
ABP's 'Acceptable Ads' whitelisting is pretty questionable. OTOH, it's
openly documented (e.g., https://adblockplus.org/acceptable-ads) and
easy to revert. Just uncheck the 'Allow no
On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote:
The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts
here. The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install
” fails because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed
with different build options. The second is “fundamentally and
irrep
Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium security
concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand) also affected
with the same security issues?
If no one knows, what procedure do I go through to determine the answer
myself (with the understanding that I am basic
On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser (Chrome).
> I don't know why so many Linux users think _only_ of the proprietary
> Google Chrome Web browser and not the open source Chromium browser of
> which Google Chrome is an odd and u
Quoting dev (devua...@gmail.com):
> Because the last time I tried Chromium its functionality was about on
> par with Konquerer's and I wrote it off. Perhaps it's matured nicely?
Criteria and opinions differ, of course, but I'd say it's at least worth
your time to recheck.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:42:18 -0500, dev wrote in message
:
>
>
> On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>
>
> > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser
> > (Chrome). I don't know why so many Linux users think _only_ of the
> > proprietary Google Chrome Web browser and
* On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote:
> Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
>
> >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> >Services, yes, an init, not so much.
>
> Because systemd is not only an init system, it provides a lot of services
> too.
I'll adm
On Wednesday 20 September 2017 at 23:41:15, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote:
> > Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann:
> > >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system.
> > >Services, yes, an init, not so much.
> >
> > Because systemd
Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit :
> Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium security
> concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand) also affected
> with the same security issues?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivaldi_(web_browser)
https://vivaldi.com/priva
Quoting airmoose (airmo...@velo-circus.com):
> Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium
> security concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand)
> also affected with the same security issues?
It's proprietary. Thus, it's the sponsoring company's black box where
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:55:47 +0200, mdn wrote in message
<59c2e3e3.6010...@openmailbox.org>:
> Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit :
> > Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium
> > security concerns, is Vivaldi (based on Chromium code I understand)
> > also affected with
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:30:21PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 15:42:18 -0500, dev wrote in message
> :
>
> >
> >
> > On 09/20/2017 01:47 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> >
> >
> > > At _least_ try Chromium before adopting a proprietary browser
> > > (Chrome). I don't know why so m
Le 21/09/2017 00:53, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 23:55:47 +0200, mdn wrote in message
> <59c2e3e3.6010...@openmailbox.org>:
>
>> Le 20/09/2017 22:26, airmoose a écrit :
>>> Since there is currently some discussion about Chrome/Chromium
>>> security concerns, is Vivaldi (based o
I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd
>> dependencies removed.
>> ___
>>
>
> It's already been done
>
> golinux
>
In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious.
>
> __
I may sound like a broken record, but it is the next best thing, to
Icecat with one exception where it excels: the updates come much more
often.
it is also superior to firefox for the following reasons:
* Disabled Encrypted Media Extensions (EME) (*which sometimes is
enabled by default as o
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote:
>>> The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts here.
>>> The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install ” fails
>>> because of a dependency, and may be trivially fixed
On 2017-09-20 20:51, zap wrote:
I would actually like network manager to have its garbage systemd
dependencies removed.
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It's already been done
golinux
In which version of devuan? all of them or just jessie? just curious.
From a search for
On 2017-09-20 21:47, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 4:25 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
On 2017-09-20 15:09, zap wrote:
The phase “depends on systemd” is being used in two extreme contexts
here. The first is a technical context, where “apt-get install
” fails because of a dependency, a
> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>
> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs.
> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager
> Was that so hard?
Yes, it is. And condescending.
Why would someone look at the IRC logs of a site that they've nev
On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote:
On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs.
https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager
Was that so hard?
Yes, it is. And condescending.
Why would someone look at the I
Quoting goli...@dyne.org (goli...@dyne.org):
> Because botbot logs the #devuan irc channel where a LOT of questions
> are answered and or solved. IMO every Devuan user should have it
> bookmarked. It is mentioned frequently on all Devuan communication
> channels - those references are pretty har
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