Le 18/09/2017 à 19:45, Steve Litt a écrit :
assign them
temporary passwords which you give them, and have them change their
passwords.
Or just copy their shadow passwords.
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I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to Gnome.
XFCE is the best option for a Gnome-like theme and behavior?
El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> Is there some published procedure to install Gnome
On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:30:37 -0400
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 13:03:01 +0200
> Florian Zieboll wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 23:43:34 -0400
> > Steve Litt wrote:
> >
> > > Is it just me, or does ssh-agent interacting with dbus seem like a
> > > horrible idea?
> >
> >
>
Edward Bartolo writes:
With a compromised CPU that has questionable smaller cores running a
HIDDEN OS, I cannot see what advantages anyone gets by installing
grsecurity. This is worse than having a compromised machine that is
always connected to your computer.
Bah.
We already know that a CPU c
On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 11:35:27PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
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>
> > Which do you think Devuan should support, a dying Debian version or
> > the supported Devuan version and its replacement ?
>
> ..above all, the volonteers trying to help people stuck there.
> I only see my minima "Devua
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 11:19 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to Gnome.
> XFCE is the best option for a Gnome-like theme and behavior?
See https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170918.102751.1992aff3.en.html
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I've tried shwsh's procedure and it doesn't work in the first step.
apt loops in a large messages list, all saying:
...
Note, selecting 'python2.7-taurus' for regex '.'
Note, selecting 'r-cran-kernsmooth' for regex '.'
Note, selecting 'slsh' for regex '.'
...
Neither with dpkg:
$ sudo dkg -i elog
El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> Why in the world would you need Gnome?
1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
unexperienced and normal people.
2. I select desktop software for hundreds of users, and 99% of users
that already use desktop computers ins
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> 3. Why not?
Because all recent versions of Gnome are infected with the systemd pox.
Cheers,
Ron.
--
A society that puts equality over freedom
will not get any of those things.
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 03:00:22PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> > Why in the world would you need Gnome?
>
> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
> unexperienced and normal people.
>
> 2. I select desktop software f
I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
Servers are an independent chapter.
El 19/09/17 a les 15:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Tue,
Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (a...@gulbrandsen.priv.no):
> >I am starting to believe computer security is an unattainable Utopia.
>
> That's a good book, I recommend reading it, if only for its
> descriptions of Utopia and attainability.
And for a picture of a slave society, where premarital sex is
Quoting Narcis Garcia (informat...@actiu.net):
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
Or you could give Xfce a try. It's rather nice.
On 09/18/2017 03:54 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
> Does FF 55 not support ALSA OOTB?
AFAIK, Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio.
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/firefox-52-no-sound-pulseaudio-alsa-linux
Apulse used to work but now Firefox has some weird sandbox thing
causing permissions issu
Am 2017-09-19 15:00, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
Why in the world would you need Gnome?
1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
unexperienced and normal people.
2. I select desktop software for hundreds of users, and 99% o
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 15:22 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
I run mate in Devuan Ascii. BBL when I sta
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 14:51 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I've tried shwsh's procedure and it doesn't work in the first step.
> Scenario was: Devuan 8 fresh install with all defaults, and only removed
> default desktop with:
> $ sudo tasksel remove desktop xfce-desktop
> $ sudo reboot
You have to
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
What does Gnome offer, that XFCE lacks ?
On Mon, 2017-09-18 at 13:45 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 09:02:37 +0200
>
> Why in the world would you need Gnome?
I don't think we should blindly reject providing Gnome in Devuan. As I wrote,
shwsh has already provided the two needed packages: elogind and gnome-settings-
daemon
On Tuesday 19 September 2017 at 15:16:58, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
> > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> > for Gnome 2), Devuan
El 19/09/17 a les 15:30, Rick Moen ha escrit:
> Quoting Narcis Garcia (informat...@actiu.net):
>
>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
>> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:38:24AM -0500, dev wrote:
> Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio.
>
> Looks like another Smooth Move by Mozilla that will end up costing them
> market share. I don't like Chrome, but basically forced to choose between
> Pottering or Google at this point :/
You me
El 19/09/17 a les 15:56, J. Fahrner ha escrit:
> Am 2017-09-19 15:00, schrieb Narcis Garcia:
>> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
>>> Why in the world would you need Gnome?
>>
>> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
>> unexperienced and normal people.
>>
( citation manually inserted not to make two email replies; however, I'll skip
Rick Moen's reply in the thread that arrived in the meantime, since it's off
topic )
On 170919-07:43+0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> With a compromised CPU that has questionable smaller cores running a
> HIDDEN OS, I canno
El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
>> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an opt
On 09/19/2017 10:47 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> ( citation manually inserted not to make two email replies; however, I'll skip
> Rick Moen's reply in the thread that arrived in the meantime, since it's off
> topic )
> On 170919-07:43+0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
>
Also its random and not even funn
On 19.09.2017 16:46, Adam Borowski wrote:
Too bad, Firefox is the only somewhat usable browser. With enough
extensions (hello 57...) it's possible to beat some basic security into it,
while Chromium has built-in spyware even in that "incognito mode" snake oil
that can't be disabled by extension
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 at 16:49:31 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
>> On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
>> Narcis Garcia wrote:
>>
>>> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
>>> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desk
I suppose I am one of the "ungracious" ones, since I am currently fighting
a lawsuit that Grsecurity filed against me for criticizing their GPL
compliance.
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017, 10:30 zap wrote:
>
>
> On 09/19/2017 10:47 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> > ( citation manually inserted not to make two
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 02:47:00PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
> I'm trying not to go off topic here... But just a few more words...
Security in systems running Devuan is on topic here. We choose Devuan
in part for security, and to be effective, we need security ll the
way down.
>
> > I am
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 03:00:22PM +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
>
> 2. I select desktop software for hundreds of users, and 99% of users
> that already use desktop computers installed by me (hundreds more), use
> Gnome. I don't want to face another c
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:49:31 +0200, Narcis wrote in message
<2d75dd54-26ec-7d5a-e5c4-23506cbf7...@actiu.net>:
> El 19/09/17 a les 16:16, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha escrit:
> > On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
> > Narcis Garcia wrote:
> >
> >> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome a
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 16:46:46 +0200, Adam wrote in message
<20170919144646.5hsbzypbzpuu7...@angband.pl>:
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 08:38:24AM -0500, dev wrote:
> > Mozilla got a new bedmate named PulseAudio.
> >
> > Looks like another Smooth Move by Mozilla that will end up costing
> > them marke
On 09/17/2017 04:30 PM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 01:49:00PM -0400, fsmithred wrote:
>> - standard system install of debian stretch plus openbox, lxterminal,
>> lxpanel and a few other packages.
>> - changed sources to devuan ascii, update, add key, update again
>> - install sy
On 170919-14:47-0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 02:47:00PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote:
>
> > I'm trying not to go off topic here... But just a few more words...
>
> Security in systems running Devuan is on topic here. We choose Devuan
> in part for security, and to be effec
On 170919-18:47+, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I suppose I am one of the "ungracious" ones, since I am currently fighting
> a lawsuit that Grsecurity filed against me for criticizing their GPL
> compliance.
I'm really sorry the lawsuit happened. And I sincerely wish it be resolved
quickly and with no
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 11:19:02 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
>
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> Why in the world would you need Gnome? Copy their home directory,
>> I'm trying now to make an installation as similar as possible to
>> Gnome. XFCE is the best option for a Gnome-li
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option for me in this area.
Stick with Debian, become an expert on s
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:56:13 +0200
"J. Fahrner" wrote:
> I'm wondering why people cry when they don't get Gnome and why they
> try to enforce Devuan developers to offer Gnome. Devuans goal is to
> offer a Linux system without systemd. And that's not possible for
> Gnome, because Gnome depends on
On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:00:22 +0200
Narcis Garcia wrote:
> El 18/09/17 a les 19:45, Steve Litt ha escrit:
> > Why in the world would you need Gnome?
>
> 1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
> unexperienced and normal people.
>
> 2. I select desktop software for
Le 19/09/2017 à 15:00, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
1. Gnome is the desktop environment that better fits my criteria for
unexperienced and normal people.
Are you kidding? I consider myself an experienced user and cannot
make sense of either Gnome or KDE in their "modern" incarnations.
XFC
On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 16:04 +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2017-09-19 at 15:22 +0200, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd.
> > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was
> > for Gnome 2), Devuan is not an option
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