Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread zap
My bad, my internet was acting weird, I could not tell if the messages went through... I completely understand your irritation. On 07/19/2017 12:20 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170718-18:00-0400, zap wrote: >> I want to install it on another laptop with ascii... >> >> util-linux >> >> sysvinit-

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread Fungi4All
> From: calmst...@posteo.de > To: Miroslav Rovis > dng@lists.dyne.org > My bad, my internet was acting weird, I could not tell if the messages > went through... I completely understand your irritation. I thought you two are on the same network. It is running fine here in serbiafidelis.serbia.onio

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170719-03:50-0400, zap wrote: > My bad, my internet was acting weird, I could not tell if the messages > went through... I completely understand your irritation. I wasn't irritated. I was only saying, (I stuck a sincere smiley at end). And I think your apology is perfectly sufficient to just f

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 09:03:15AM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170719-03:50-0400, zap wrote: > > My bad, my internet was acting weird, I could not tell if the messages > > went through... I completely understand your irritation. > > I wasn't irritated. I was only saying, (I stuck a sincere s

Re: [DNG] VBScript Injection via GNOME Thumbnailer

2017-07-19 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi, Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:07:35PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> Actually, imagemagick is one of worst offenders here. The version in Jessie >> is at deb8u9, and every security update tends to mention ~20 CVEs. > > ... nd, just hours later, here comes deb8u10: >

Re: [DNG] VBScript Injection via GNOME Thumbnailer

2017-07-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 08:28:25PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 10:07:35PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > >> Actually, imagemagick is one of worst offenders here. The version in > >> Jessie > >> is at deb8u9, and every security update tends to m

Re: [DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev replacement

2017-07-19 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
- Original Message - From: "KatolaZ" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] ..experimental mirror is fixed now?, was: udev replacement Just to clarify: The bug is *both* in that particular Release file and in the usage that debmirror does of the Release file.

[DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Miroslav Rovis
( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted ) On 170718-08:31+0200, Jaromil wrote: ( https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170718.062527.b6650d9d.en.html ) > On Sun, 16 Jul 2017, Antony Stone wrote: ( https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170716.192004.e25654db.en.html ) > > On Sun

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Rowland Penny
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:51:48 + Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted ) Please stop with the rambling posts that make my eyes glaze over. they also have little to do with Devuan. I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you, you just do not know

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Dragan FOSS
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Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... Yeah, me too. Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly, taken along with all the other noise on this list, it isn't worth my time even to delete the rants

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Evilham
Am 19/07/2017 um 16:11 schrieb Rowland Penny: > Please stop with the rambling posts that make my eyes glaze over. they > also have little to do with Devuan. Thank you. As far as anyone here is concerned, I'm a female humanoid lizzard married to a human woman. And nobody should care. Just quickly

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread zap
On 07/19/2017 05:03 AM, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170719-03:50-0400, zap wrote: >> My bad, my internet was acting weird, I could not tell if the messages >> went through... I completely understand your irritation. > I wasn't irritated. I was only saying, (I stuck a sincere smiley at end). > > An

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread Evilham
Am 19/07/2017 um 16:57 schrieb zap: > openrc should be the default though runit should of course also > be available heh Changing people's default init system is how we got here. This is much saner: Am 19/07/2017 um 11:16 schrieb KatolaZ: > It is definitely desirable to have it among a set of pl

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread zap
I hope at some point you do return, though maybe we need a better structure for the mailing list... On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: > >> ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... > > Yeah, me too. > > Putting u

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread zap
> Changing people's default init system is how we got here. > > This is much saner: > > Am 19/07/2017 um 11:16 schrieb KatolaZ: >> It is definitely desirable to have it among a set of pluggable >> init systems, though. hmm... not a bad idea. wisdom from katolaz indeed.

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 01:51:48PM +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > ( some --such as missing-- quotes manually reinserted ) > [cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff] Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting long and mainly unrelated material of any sort? Really Miroslav: first the

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
G.W. Haywood writes: it isn't worth my time even to delete the rants, never mind read them, so I'm going to unsubscribe and go back to Debian. It's perfectly possible to run a server on devuan without paying any attention to this list, so you can save yourself the work of reinstalling. I und

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread zap
> [cutting-259-lines-OT-stuff] > > Could everyone please try to stay on topic and refrain from posting > long and mainly unrelated material of any sort? > > Really Miroslav: first the Croatians and the history of their > heritage. Next the interpretation of the bible. Then a mixture of > random ran

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread golinux
On 07/19/2017 10:42 AM, G.W. Haywood wrote: Hi there, On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Rowland Penny wrote: ... I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you ... Yeah, me too. Putting up with that guy is worse than living with systemd; frankly, taken along with all the other noise on this list, it

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 03:11:16PM +0100, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:51:48 + Miroslav Rovis > wrote: > > I am beginning to understand why Gentoo banned you, you just do not > know when to stop digging ;-) Actually, at this point I'd say it's Miroslav who's right (even thou

Re: [DNG] I apologize, but I lost my email somehow with the, packages needed for openrc

2017-07-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 05:00:28PM +0200, Evilham wrote: > Am 19/07/2017 um 16:57 schrieb zap: > > openrc should be the default though runit should of course also > > be available heh > > Changing people's default init system is how we got here. Neither openrc nor sysv-rc are init systems. -- ⢀

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > I don't think, and I believe I speak here for a huge majority of > people, I don't think they came to Devuan to be in anything like a > gay club... noone came here to read you ranting about homosexuals being sick and in need of cure. You started this,

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Fungi4All
> Meow! I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of the team that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common interest of the system under this specific philosophy (# of bugs is ir

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread golinux
On 2017-07-19 11:28, Fungi4All wrote: Meow! I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of the team that made devuan is what brought us here we should stick to our common interest of the system under

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Fungi4All
> From: goli...@dyne.org > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > On 2017-07-19 11:28, Fungi4All wrote: >>> Meow! >> >> I am new here and I have to admit the surprise as first three emails I >> got from the list were of this topic. I agree that if the choices of >> the team >> that made devuan is what brought us

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 06:07:52PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > My mail was an ironical way to remind of historical facts related to > Devuan and to repair the incredibly offensive words you wrote here, > abusing our open space. > > Beware I have zero tolerance on the subject you are now using to > att

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Jaromil
you were warned, now in moderation. hope we are finished here? I definitely do not love doing this... to all newcomers please refer to this guide to understand what is going on and how to respect this open space for discussion about Devuan http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt especially t

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Ron
People, Please stop replying, just apply the Del key. Because unless the list gnomes apply the cluestick (or worse), nothing will stop those who want to continue with their OT rants, self-righteously claiming they can do so because someone else also did. Cheers, Ron. --

[DNG] Install tomcat on devuan

2017-07-19 Thread alberto.se...@tin.it
Hi to all, Is it possible install Apache Tomcat on Devuan ? Alberto Senni --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dy

[DNG] virtualbox-dkms fails to build on Devuan

2017-07-19 Thread Thaddeus Nielsen
Greetings! I have been using Devuan Jessie 1.0 Beta2 for nearly two months. I regularly update the system. Once I had virtualbox running fine but then removed it. Since then the kernel has been upgraded at least twice. I have reinstalled virtualbox and all the components are working ex

[DNG] Motion to moderate

2017-07-19 Thread maildoneright
I motion to moderate (with extreme delay, as in the other case) this one as well.    > From: Fungi4All Extreme off-topic rants from one side is equally bad as extreme off-topic rants from the other. NO ONE CARES about this #SJW crap. Take it to a #Hillary Clinton list. ps -- I'm starting to

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual, politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Massimo Coppola
Dear all as a usually silent listener, I do understand the exceptional need for moderation. Do not destroy the comunity with noise or completely not relevant topics: beyond some point this cannot be ignored, even in spite of useful tecnnical contribution, as it drives away more contributions.

Re: [DNG] Why /command ?

2017-07-19 Thread Andy Mender
Dear Steve, I tinkered with runit on Devuan and Gentoo and managed to get some things done with it in the past. Here is the link to the docs I wrote for Devuan previously: https://talk.devuan.org/t/runit-as-init-supervisor-for-devuan/487 Cheers, Andy On 2 July 2017 at 01:37, Steve Litt wrote:

[DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Hi, since Gnome network manager depends on systemd, I have to use wicd on my notebook. And since my internet provider does not allow to change dns setting on their router, I only can change it on my notebook. But wicd does not accept ipv6 addresses in the dns fields. Is there some other way to

Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 08:41:25PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > since Gnome network manager depends on systemd, I have to use wicd on my Which Devuan release are you using? A de-systemd-ised network-manager is in jessie for sure. > notebook. And since my internet provider does not allow

[DNG] can we get back to talking about devuan? or at least not toxic topics...

2017-07-19 Thread zap
I could understand if this discussion was just irrelevant nonsense pertaining to linking to random mlp sites or talking about how much dog food you eat, even then it would be a bad idea... but it least then I and I think many others would laugh it off... but the topics that are being brought up are

Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-07-19 20:48, schrieb KatolaZ: Which Devuan release are you using? Jessie A de-systemd-ised network-manager is in jessie for sure. Is this new? tried it, seems to work, but there are some network problems. Switched back to wicd. If you don't want anybody to change the DNS settin

Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 09:27:37PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > Am 2017-07-19 20:48, schrieb KatolaZ: > > >Which Devuan release are you using? > > Jessie > > >A de-systemd-ised network-manager > >is in jessie for sure. > > Is this new? > tried it, seems to work, but there are some network pr

Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 19 July 2017 at 21:18:21, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 09:27:37PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2017-07-19 20:48, schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Which Devuan release are you using? > > > > Jessie > > > > > A de-systemd-ised network-manager is in jessie for sure. > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitution and Social Contract WAS: Sexual, politics and society

2017-07-19 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 19 Jul 2017, Massimo Coppola wrote: > Please don't ever take things personally, anyone: the boat moves too > much and may topple, so we should _all_ stay sitting. It really does > not matter who shook it first or most. well said Massimo, thanks it doesn't matter at all who is who. we ar

Re: [DNG] virtualbox-dkms fails to build on Devuan

2017-07-19 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 03:35:24PM -0500, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: > Setting up virtualbox-dkms (5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2) ... This isn't from jessie, it's from backports. > Building for 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 This is also from backports, not from jessie. From the vbox changelog: "* Linux hosts: compile

Re: [DNG] Install tomcat on devuan

2017-07-19 Thread Tom Cassidy
There is a tomcat8 package in the repositories. Have you tried that? > On 21 Apr 2017, at 06:22, "alberto.se...@tin.it" wrote: > > Hi to all, > > Is it possible install Apache Tomcat on Devuan ? > > Alberto Senni > > --- > Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast anti

Re: [DNG] Hello says 'idonis'

2017-07-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:47:55 -0400 "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote: > Package: amprolla > > Create the Release file of the experimental branch with the line: > Codename: none > > And should have the name of the branch > Codename: experimental > > This prevents me from downloading the repositori

Re: [DNG] Hello says 'idonis'

2017-07-19 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 09:12:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] > > Ismael was first asked to fill out a bug report, without the added text > "at bugs.devuan.org". Sounds simple to you, but an unnecessary time > waster for him. Those four words should be included with every request > for bug t

Re: [DNG] Why /command ?

2017-07-19 Thread Kevin Berry
Steve, Have you checked for the source package to runit-run? You may find trouble getting the Devuan devs to accept a slackpackage install, since it doesn't meet the FHS. runit-run is a package that used to exist in Debian (and Ubuntu imported it until 12.04, I believe), that Gerrit made to fit

[DNG] Unable to log in to the Without SystemD wiki

2017-07-19 Thread Cray XMP
Is there anyone on this list acting as an admin on the without-systemd.org wiki ? If so, since this useful wiki seems to not accepting logins since roughly late May, could you please unlock it to re-enable user logins ? Thank you. ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] [cairo] cairo packaging and Makefile.am.features

2017-07-19 Thread Uli Schlachter
On 14.04.2017 07:09, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: [...] > When / by whom exactly are these files created ? When configure is run. By configure. > Is there any way to > teach automake+frieds to generate them (via configure.ac etc), w/o > complaining and w/o the need of extra preparation

Re: [DNG] [cairo] cairo packaging and Makefile.am.features

2017-07-19 Thread Uli Schlachter
On 14.04.2017 21:15, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > On 14.04.2017 18:33, Uli Schlachter wrote: [...] > Could it be that it's magically doing that on its own ? I don't remember the exact name of the flag, but auto-foo can be told to automatically re-run configure if configure.ac changes

Re: [DNG] how to clear DNS cache

2017-07-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Rick Moen wrote: >> IFF we are going to put stuff in to work around problems for one set >> of edge cases (and IMO it's debatable whether we should), then why not >> also cater for what is possibly a larger group of edge cases ? Your >> argument seems to be "this is the only set of edge cases I'm

Re: [DNG] Why /command ?

2017-07-19 Thread Laurent Bercot
So I was wondering what the original intent was in having these two directories directly off the root? Is it so the init and supervision can proceed even before partition mounts are complete? Is there some other reason? Can anyone recommend setups that fulfill the reasons for the direct-off-root

Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread Joachim Fahrner
Am 2017-07-19 22:21, schrieb Antony Stone: Also, "some network problems" is not a very helpful bug report :) If you're going to say that something doesn't work properly, please at least say *how* it doesn't work properly... I'm sorry, but I did not have the time to investigate this further.

Re: [DNG] Hello says 'idonis'

2017-07-19 Thread Dave Turner
On 20/07/17 05:45, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 09:12:11PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] Ismael was first asked to fill out a bug report, without the added text "at bugs.devuan.org". Sounds simple to you, but an unnecessary time waster for him. Those four words should be included wi