Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

2017-07-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/07/2017 à 20:35, Jamey Fletcher a écrit : I no longer feel like I can trust "init" https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577 This is getting scary - last time I remember something along these lines, something called git seemed to be the end result. And I think git has taken over the world from e

Re: [DNG] 404.

2017-07-12 Thread G.W. Haywood
Good morning, On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, G.W. Haywood wrote: ... back with more dumb questions presently. For those just joining us, I'm attempting to follow the instructions at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 My guess is that nobody has yet followed these instructions for a new proje

Re: [DNG] 404.

2017-07-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/07/2017 à 11:10, G.W. Haywood a écrit : Good morning, On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, G.W. Haywood wrote: ... back with more dumb questions presently. For those just joining us, I'm attempting to follow the instructions at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=549 I had a brief look at

[DNG] --with-systemd

2017-07-12 Thread Vincent Bentley
If every upstream developer includes an option --with-systemd to make their code work reliably with it, then all Debian package developers will use the option without questioning if it is actually necessary. Eventually, the switch packagers and developers will forget what was actually being done b

Re: [DNG] 404.

2017-07-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:10:20AM +0100, G.W. Haywood wrote: [cut] > My guess is that nobody has yet followed these instructions for a new > project - at least nobody who was not already sufficiently familiar > with the process not to need them - because there seem to be places in > setting up a

Re: [DNG] 404.

2017-07-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 11:16:10AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > In other words: If you want to have your de-systemd-ised package in > jessie, at this point you should build for > jessie-proposed-updates. This means that you should get the latest > available version in Jessie (in this case it

Re: [DNG] 404.

2017-07-12 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 10:10:20AM +0100, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Good morning, > > On Tue, 11 Jul 2017, G.W. Haywood wrote: > > >... back with more dumb questions presently. > > For those just joining us, I'm attempting to follow the instructions at > > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=54

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170711-23:18+0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2017-07-11 at 17:26 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: ... > > Do I understand correctly that only these two packages it would be > > useful that they remain posted there on my website temporarily: > > > > -rw-r--r-- 1 210960 2017-07-11 03:30 libfdis

Re: [DNG] kernel drivers [WAS: How long should I expect to wait for openrc to be ready in devuan ascii]

2017-07-12 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 11/07/2017 à 21:22, Jamey Fletcher a écrit : That sounds suspiciously like you're working on the LHC! Or perhaps the VLA... Particle Physics, although not LHC :-) Neutrino Physics. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https:/

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > Now it's sorted right, I hope: > OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128#p328 > > And I also edited: > ( same topic ) > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128#p3249 > because it is linked fro

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 07:19:01AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > I felt mildly guilty > over possibly having overpraised the OpenRC package in Debian Jessie; I > vaguely recalled seeing posts here a year ago pointing to its > deficiencies relative to Gentoo/Funtoo's upstream version -- so I went > hun

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 04:35:22PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 07:19:01AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > I felt mildly guilty > > over possibly having overpraised the OpenRC package in Debian Jessie; I > > vaguely recalled seeing posts here a year ago pointing to its > > def

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 03:42:14PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 04:35:22PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > Benda Xu has recently updated the package in unstable to 0.27-1, this is the > > version where comments would be most relevant. > > Shall we try then to build the pakage fo

Re: [DNG] 404.

2017-07-12 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Wed, 12 Jul 2017, Didier Kryn wrote: Just after you have installed d1h, remove from your /etc/apt/source.list the line |deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main| Or you risk to have problems next time you do an apt-get upgrade Good point, thanks, I'll

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

2017-07-12 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 07/12/2017 07:18 AM, Brad Campbell wrote: Did I miss something Yes.. ;) When I wrote "recommends", and your interpretation of this word is "mandating", I have no choice but to think that your reading system is, to put it mildly, funny :) Cheers, Dragan ___

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170712-07:19-0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > > > Now it's sorted right, I hope: > > OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii > > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128#p328 > > > > And I also edited: > > ( same topic ) > > https://dev1galaxy.o

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > It's good that you linked to it. May need testing. As per usual. ;-> > And is good advice to GNU/Linux users to try it. I particularly wanted to encourage users to conduct this and similar experiments _in virtual machines_. Probably mos

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Svante Signell
On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 12:14 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > On 170711-23:18+0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > > Now it's sorted right, I hope: > OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii > https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128#p328 Just FTR, zap got the amd64 packages from me too, and then sent the

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Svante Signell (svante.sign...@gmail.com): > (personally I heavily dislike forums :( Why not use plain email and > publish stuff on web pages??) I _tend_ to share your view, but we should always beware of what I call FirstThursdayism. If I were really mean, I'd call it McLoughlinism, but

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread zap
On 07/12/2017 05:34 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Wed, 2017-07-12 at 12:14 +, Miroslav Rovis wrote: >> On 170711-23:18+0200, Svante Signell wrote: >> Now it's sorted right, I hope: >> OpenRC installation in Devuan Ascii >> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1128#p328 > Just FTR, zap got

Re: [DNG] Linus can no longer trust "init"

2017-07-12 Thread Brad Campbell
On 13/07/17 00:56, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 07/12/2017 07:18 AM, Brad Campbell wrote: Did I miss something Yes.. ;) When I wrote "recommends", and your interpretation of this word is "mandating", I have no choice but to think that your reading system is, to put it mildly, funny :) Nope. Not at

[DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:34:48 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > (personally I heavily dislike forums :( Why not use plain email and > publish stuff on web pages??) A mailing list is like vendors shipping to your house. Forums are like calling 15 stores to see whether they have any orders for you ye

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Miroslav Rovis
On 170712-13:05-0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > > > It's good that you linked to it. May need testing. > > As per usual. ;-> > > > And is good advice to GNU/Linux users to try it. > > I particularly wanted to encourage users to conduct this and

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > A mailing list is like vendors shipping to your house. > > Forums are like calling 15 stores to see whether they have any orders > for you yet. I may have to FAQ this on my Web site, because it keeps coming up. 1. There are far greater social a

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-12 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.ro...@croatiafidelis.hr): > But if they make good backups and are able to restore their system, why not > try > it on the real system? Of course! My point was merely that initial experimentation on a VM is more attractive because you are not risking a real system a