Re: [DNG] Xfce4 task uninstalled on upgrade to ascii

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:18:21AM +1000, Tom wrote: > > I did the upgrade to Ascii yesterday before I sent the email after reading > about the dbus > package updates, so yes the dist-upgrade works but ends up with the large > number of > packages set for removal. Apologies for not mentioning tha

Re: [DNG] curl: (1) Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl

2017-06-16 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there, On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Taiidan@ wrote: When trying to run apt-get update with https I receive this error curl: (1) Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl https://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#Protocol_xxx_not_supported_or_di Is there some compelling reason to want apt-get

Re: [DNG] curl: (1) Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 09:00:23AM +0100, G.W. Haywood wrote: > Hi there, > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017, Taiidan@ wrote: > > >When trying to run apt-get update with https I receive this error > > > >curl: (1) Protocol "http" not supported or disabled in libcurl > > https://curl.haxx.se/docs/faq.html#P

[DNG] package listing

2017-06-16 Thread Gary Olzeke
Tom was asking about versions of packages, and I think some others. ' I use the list that was provided to distrowatch.com !! It can be downloaded as a text file and then 'searched' in your editor. ' I wouldn't be surprised if the ASCII list was outdated - and that may be what Tom is looking for. '

Re: [DNG] Xfce4 task uninstalled on upgrade to ascii

2017-06-16 Thread Tom
On 16 June 2017 at 17:22, KatolaZ wrote: > > Which are those packages set for removal? Are packages marked as > "unnecessary" because where automatically installed by previous > versions of other packages and are not required any more? > I'm guessing you could be right on that. Not entirely su

Re: [DNG] package listing

2017-06-16 Thread Tom
Interesting. Do you know how often it gets updated? Is it on an automatic schedule? -- Tom On 16 June 2017 at 22:07, Gary Olzeke wrote: > Tom was asking about versions of packages, and I think some others. > ' > I use the list that was provided to distrowatch.com !! > It can be downloaded as

Re: [DNG] Xfce4 task uninstalled on upgrade to ascii

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 01:54:53AM +1000, Tom wrote: [cut] > > I'm guessing you could be right on that. Not entirely sure how I would > check that. I'm not sure if any of the below packages are required for xfce > to operate correctly or not. I could probably just take a punt and remove > them

Re: [DNG] package listing

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 01:55:57AM +1000, Tom wrote: > Interesting. Do you know how often it gets updated? Is it on an automatic > schedule? > The list of all available packages in the repos you have in /etc/apt/sources.list can be found in /var/lib/apt/lists. To visualise that list (without ve

[DNG] Git housekeeping

2017-06-16 Thread golinux
According to the list generated by the dev1galaxy bot at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=19 there are about 350 outstanding issues posted at git.devuan.org. If you have a project on git, please review the outstanding issues and close those that have been fixed or are no longer relevant

[DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread zap
how does one remove that package without removing anything else? I mean how do you remove it from being depended on by nearly every bit of software... I want to install openrc so that is why I ask... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > how does one remove that package without removing anything else? > > I mean how do you remove it from being depended on by nearly every bit > of software... > > I want to install openrc so that is why I ask... The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, do

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from installing and using OpenRC. The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to function without systemd. Dragan ___ Dng maili

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 16-06-17 23:53, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from installing and using OpenRC. The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to function without systemd. Dragan __

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Bruce Perens
Actually, I would be quite happy to have systemd on my Devuan system, as long as it wasn't acting as the init. Think of it as a virtual paperweight. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 14:53 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: > > > The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 00:29, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: fresh troll on our list. Wrong..I'm an old troll :) --- [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ uname -a Linux trios-eudev 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.18-1~bpo8+1 (2017-04-10) x86_64 GNU/Linux [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desk

Re: [DNG] package listing

2017-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 05:27:30PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 01:55:57AM +1000, Tom wrote: > > Interesting. Do you know how often it gets updated? Is it on an automatic > > schedule? > > > > The list of all available packages in the repos you have in > /etc/apt/sources.list

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread golinux
On 2017-06-16 17:29, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 16-06-17 23:53, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from installing and using OpenRC. The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:53:13PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: > > >The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from > >installing and using OpenRC. > > > The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to function > without

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Bruce Perens
But it has the name libsystemd0! It should be called The Init Library That Must Not Be Named. :-) On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 15:53 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 11:53:13PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > > On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > >The presence of libsystemd0, albeit

Re: [DNG] package listing

2017-06-16 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 00:46, Hendrik Boom wrote: I'm often iterested in the packages that are in the repos I have *not* specified in sources.list Maybe rmadison (devscripts) would help you? For example: - [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ rmadison -u ubuntu -a amd64 libsystemd0 libsystemd0 |

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 10:57:52PM +, Bruce Perens wrote: > But it has the name libsystemd0! It should be called The Init Library That > Must Not Be Named. :-) I think that one fails the syntax test on package names. I don't think spaces are allowed. In any case, libsystemd0 is not an init

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2017-06-16 at 23:53 +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 16.06.2017. 23:22, Rick Moen wrote: > > > The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you > > from > > installing and using OpenRC. > > > The presence of libsystemd0 means that devuan is not able to > function  > withou

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 00:53, Hendrik Boom wrote: libsystemd0 provides the interfaces of systemd for those pieces of software that require them, but provides the empty implementations; i.e., informing the caller that the requested acton is not available. It is completely compatible with not having syste

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Bruce Perens
I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is sufficiently generic. On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 17:34 Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 00:53, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > libsystemd0 provides the interfaces of s

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread zap
On 06/16/2017 05:22 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > >> how does one remove that package without removing anything else? >> >> I mean how do you remove it from being depended on by nearly every bit >> of software... >> >> I want to install openrc so that is why I ask...

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote: I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is sufficiently generic. I don't see any purpose that *any* package has a libsystemd dependency in distribution wit

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread zap
whoops may have sent this directly Anyways I am using devuan ascii and for some reason such an error does exist. I don't know why though... I want openrc though instead and it doesn't seem to let me install it without wiping most of my software off. On 06/16/2017 09:02 PM, Dragan FOSS wrot

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Gary Olzeke
Thanks Dragan for the nudge, - you old troll!! It seems your TRIOS is still only in Serbian (your comment). Site is located at mirror.org.rs but the FOSS Serbia link is unuseable - for me. and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too! ' has gmx.com been good to you??? Good Day, Garyz

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:55:44PM -0400, zap wrote: > > > On 06/16/2017 05:22 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > >> how does one remove that package without removing anything else? > >> > >> I mean how do you remove it from being depended on by nearly every bit > >

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 17.06.2017. 03:09, Gary Olzeke wrote: and XFCE is Devuan's initial Desktop too! Hm? Currently, I'm using GNOME 3 ;> - [dragan@trios-eudev][~]$ inxi -S System:Host: trios-eudev Kernel: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Gnome 3.14.4 Distro: TRIOS 1.0 mia

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > Anyways I am using devuan ascii and for some reason such an error does > exist. I don't know why though... I want openrc though instead and it > doesn't seem to let me install it without wiping most of my software off. Might help: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/De

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Bruce Perens
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017, 6:02 PM Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote: > > I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that > > libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is > > sufficiently generic. > > > I don't see any purpose t

Re: [DNG] Xfce4 task uninstalled on upgrade to ascii

2017-06-16 Thread Tom
On 17 June 2017 at 02:15, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 01:54:53AM +1000, Tom wrote: > > [cut] > > Hi Tom, > > apt-get is telling you what is the problem (there are several packages > which were automatically installed and are no longer required, mostly > due to the dist-upgrade), and

Re: [DNG] package listing

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 06:46:28PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: [cut] > > I'm often iterested in the packages that are in the repos I have *not* > specified > in sources.list > I told already that we are working at a web interface similar to packages.debian.org. Keeping asking doesn't help hav

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 08:55:44PM -0400, zap wrote: [cut] > > depends, for me I cannot install openrc without losing literately one > hundred or more packages! > > for the record, I was not... troling... I am completely serious._ zap, how are you installing OpenRC on Devuan? Which packages ar

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 03:02:01AM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 17.06.2017. 02:39, Bruce Perens wrote: > >I don't see any problem with a generic interface to the things that > >libsystemd does , if one could be arrived at, or if the current API is > >sufficiently generic. > > > I don't see any

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread KatolaZ
On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 09:17:46PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > The presence of libsystemd0, albeit annoying, doesn't prevent you from > > > installing and using OpenRC. > > > > > > > depends, for me I cannot install openrc without losing literately one > > hundred or more packages! > > > >

[DNG] Missing scrollbars and input widgets in firefox-esr for ascii

2017-06-16 Thread Tom
Firefox ESR in ascii seems to have problems showing the scrollbar thumb and checkbox/radio/text input outlines. I've found relevant bug reports on Firefox bugzilla, but they appear to have been fixed in Firefox 48/49. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1230955 https://bugzilla.mozilla.o

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-16 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2017-06-16 at 18:44 -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting zap (calmst...@posteo.de): > > > Anyways I am using devuan ascii and for some reason such an error > > does > > exist.  I don't know why though... I want openrc though instead and > > it > > doesn't seem to let me install it without wip