On 12/06/2016 01:07 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> ...
> There is a processing cost to iptables and to be honest whilst
> iptables is fantastic at border gateway for filtering out malicious
> traffic, it may not be either necessary or desirable on hosts inside
> the network.
> ...
I agree. Though fo
On 12/06/2016 12:14 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
> ...
> The old Debian standard used to be /var/lib/iptables/, and I
> don't know when this behaviour changed (especially because I never
> changed it, despite the choices made by DDs). ...
Thanks. That seems to fit with hier(7) too. So I will go with that
Le 06/12/2016 08:59, Lars Noodén a écrit :
On 12/06/2016 12:14 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
...
The old Debian standard used to be /var/lib/iptables/, and I
don't know when this behaviour changed (especially because I never
changed it, despite the choices made by DDs). ...
Thanks. That seems to fit with
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 12:07:25PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote:
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>
> I'm probably getting a little of topic here, but IMHO, MS Windows needs
> a firewall because it has so many leaky hidden services running on the
> host that should never be exposed to even local networks that make it
> ex
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Am Di den 6. Dez 2016 um 0:07 schrieb Daniel Reurich:
> On 06/12/16 05:50, Lars Noodén wrote:
> > Where should we be commending the storage of iptables rules in Devuan
> > Jessie?
>
> There should not be a default location. It should b
On 06/12/16 21:55, Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Am Di den 6. Dez 2016 um 0:07 schrieb Daniel Reurich:
>> On 06/12/16 05:50, Lars Noodén wrote:
>>> Where should we be commending the storage of iptables rules in Devuan
>>> Jessie?
>
>> There should not be a default location. It should be
Lars Noodén wrote on 12/05/2016 02:09 PM:
> On 12/05/2016 09:59 PM, dev wrote:
>
>> Perhaps /etc/iptables/rules.v4 and /etc/iptables/rules.v6 make
>> the most sense.
>
> What do you see as the advantage? I'm interested in hearing the
> rational for either /etc/iptables/ or /etc/network/ since i
KatolaZ wrote on 12/05/2016 04:14 PM:
>
> Hence, /var/lib/iptables/ seems indeed the perfect place to keep
> (different possible sets of) iptables rules.
>
I would respectfully disagree here only because I've come to appreciate
having the bulk of my configurable system knobs under /etc/.
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On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:40:58 -0600
hal wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote on 12/05/2016 04:14 PM:
> >
> > Hence, /var/lib/iptables/ seems indeed the perfect place to keep
> > (different possible sets of) iptables rules.
> >
>
> I would respectfully disagree here only because I've come to
> appreciate havin
On 11/15/2016 08:43 AM, hellekin wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> for the third moment of its research-action vector on SMALL
> SINGULARITIES, Dyne:β×λ is organizing a documentation sprint for Devuan
> in December in Brussels.
>
> https://bxl.dyne.org/vectors/small-singularities
>
> This docsprint aims to
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 04:40:58AM -0600, hal wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote on 12/05/2016 04:14 PM:
> >
> > Hence, /var/lib/iptables/ seems indeed the perfect place to keep
> > (different possible sets of) iptables rules.
> >
>
> I would respectfully disagree here only because I've come to appreciate
>
Il giorno Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:55:44 -0500
Steve Litt ha scritto:
> On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:05:11 +0800
> Robert Storey wrote:
>
> > It pains me to say this, but the installation program for Devuan
> > Beta2 is seriously broken. And I say this not as some kind of troll,
> > but rather as a Devuan en
On 06/12/16 13:30, Alessandro Selli wrote:
Il giorno Mon, 5 Dec 2016 13:55:44 -0500
Steve Litt ha scritto:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2016 09:05:11 +0800
Robert Storey wrote:
It pains me to say this, but the installation program for Devuan
Beta2 is seriously broken. And I say this not as some kind of tr
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:30:58 +0100
Alessandro Selli wrote:
> Devuan was born with the intention of removing the artificial limits
> systemd is imposing users. Proprietary software is even worse in restricting
> people's choice. If your vision of Devuan is something like Ubuntu, with
> every ki
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 13:54:30 + Dave Turner
wrote:
> Robert has a very valid point.
Robert Storey does have a vlid point. In my opinion Steve Litt does not.
Robert Storey laments the lack of WiFi connectivity support in "the
installation program for Devuan Beta2", not the lack of propriet
Il giorno Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:12:34 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha scritto:
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:30:58 +0100
> Alessandro Selli wrote:
>
> > Devuan was born with the intention of removing the artificial limits
> > systemd is imposing users. Proprietary software is even worse in
> > restrict
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 04:40:58 -0600
hal wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote on 12/05/2016 04:14 PM:
> >
> > Hence, /var/lib/iptables/ seems indeed the perfect place to keep
> > (different possible sets of) iptables rules.
> >
>
> I would respectfully disagree here only because I've come to
> appreciate hav
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:13:02 +0100
hellekin wrote:
> On 11/15/2016 08:43 AM, hellekin wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > for the third moment of its research-action vector on SMALL
> > SINGULARITIES, Dyne:β×λ is organizing a documentation sprint for
> > Devuan in December in Brussels.
> >
> > https://
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:27:33 +0100
Alessandro Selli wrote:
> Il giorno Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:12:34 -0300
> Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha scritto:
>
> > On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 14:30:58 +0100
> > Alessandro Selli wrote:
> >
> > > Devuan was born with the intention of removing the artificial
> > > limits
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 11:28:13 -0500 Steve Litt
wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:27:33 +0100
> Alessandro Selli wrote:
>
> > Il giorno Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:12:34 -0300
> > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ha scritto:
[...]
> > > On the other hand, by making it impossible to install without
> > > having to g
Steve Litt:
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:13:02 +0100
> hellekin wrote:
> > On 11/15/2016 08:43 AM, hellekin wrote:
> > > for the third moment of its research-action vector on SMALL
> > > SINGULARITIES, Dyne:β×λ is organizing a documentation sprint for
> > > Devuan in December in Brussels.
> > >
> > >
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:45:58 +0100 (CET)
k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Steve Litt:
> > On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:13:02 +0100
> > hellekin wrote:
> > > On 11/15/2016 08:43 AM, hellekin wrote:
> > > > for the third moment of its research-action vector on SMALL
> > > > SINGULARITIES, Dyne:β×λ is organizing
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:45:58 +0100 (CET)
> k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> No they are not, they are talking a load of b
> Why not just say something in clear English ??
They're going to put money towards something that most every Open Source
project has problems with - documentation. They s
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:26:48 -0600 (CST)
ja...@beau.org wrote:
> > On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:45:58 +0100 (CET)
> > k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>
> > No they are not, they are talking a load of b
> > Why not just say something in clear English ??
>
> They're going to put money towards something t
On 12/06/2016 05:45 PM, k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>
> β stands for Brussels, λ for laboratory, and in vector calculus, × stands
> for curl. The curl of two vectors is a third vector normal (i.e.
> perpendicular) to both original vectors. A vector is something that
> has a direction. A singularity is
On 12/06/2016 06:26 PM, ja...@beau.org wrote:
>
> They're going to put money towards something that most every Open Source
> project has problems with - documentation.
>
More than money we're putting a lot of energy and sensibility into it.
People who participate actually care for Devuan, as they
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:28:13 -0500
Steve Litt wrote:
> OK fine, just have this yes or no question early in the install:
>
> =
> Are you willing to have the install try non-free drivers and firmware
> for your network, video, keyboard and
On Tue, 06 Dec 2016, hellekin wrote:
> On 12/06/2016 06:26 PM, ja...@beau.org wrote:
> >
> > They're going to put money towards something that most every Open
> > Source project has problems with - documentation.
> >
>
> More than money we're putting a lot of energy and sensibility into
> it.
i
Hi all!
I just tried beta2 netinstall on X61/T60/T61. Basic installation was flawless.
the only thing I have to complain about is that when I installed "xorg xdm
terminator xterm" it also installed "libsystemd0". Purging libsystemd0 removed
sane-utils, but that's no big loss :-)
And it boots f
Hi all,
Sorry this is off-topic for this list, but I don't really know where
I would ask this question.
I've got a Live CD (Ubuntu 14.04) I've remastered and trying to get
an autologin with root shell initiated from init. I can get the shell
started, but the console I/O is a bit wonky. If I type
Alessandro Selli said:
> I'd like to point out that including proprietary drivers does
> not address any of the issues Robert Storey described:
>
> 1) no WiFi support in the install program;
> 2) no DHCP autoconfiguration using a wired Ethernet connection;
> 3) Wicd missing after installation.
>
>
On 06/12/2016 at 22:47, dev wrote:
> Hi all,
> Sorry this is off-topic for this list, but I don't really know where
> I would ask this question.
>
> I've got a Live CD (Ubuntu 14.04)
I'd say an Ubuntu mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/), forum
(https://ubuntuforums.org/) or Ask Ubuntu
(htt
Alessandro Selli wrote:
>> OK fine, just have this yes or no question early in the install:
>>
>> =
>> Are you willing to have the install try non-free drivers and firmware
>> for your network, video, keyboard and mouse if free drivers
Quoting Renaud OLGIATI (ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org):
> On the other hand, by making it impossible to install without having
> to go and hunt firmwares under the excuse that they are not open
> source, open-source talibans are doing exactly what they condemn in
> the systemd talibans: both take
On 06/12/2016 at 23:18, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Alessandro Selli wrote:
>
>>> OK fine, just have this yes or no question early in the install:
>>>
>>> =
>>> Are you willing to have the install try non-free drivers and firmware
>>> for your
On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 19:09:27 +0100
Jaromil wrote:
> I invite you all to contribute to the process, even criticism can be
> useful and I personally agree with Steve's implicit remark on having a
> prose that is shorter and to the point.
Not only short and to the point, but unambiguous. Make it as
On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 11:04:25AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
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> > >
> > > https://bxl.dyne.org/vectors/small-singularities
>
> I didn't understand a single sentence in the preceding URL.
>
Honestly, I think that what is important is that the documentation
that comes out of that process is
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