Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Giovanni Rapagnani
On 08/11/16 07:32, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: I will update the webpage accordingly, indicating the talk.devuan.org webforum and the DNG mailinglist as the main places for discussion, but also the git.devuan.org issues as the place where to report bugs. Once updated, it would probably be a goo

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Giovanni Rapagnani
link [1] is wrong, right one: [1] https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng On 08/11/16 09:31, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: On 08/11/16 07:32, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: I will update the webpage accordingly, indicating the talk.devuan.org webforum and the DNG mailinglist as the

[DNG] Recent Security Update Discrepancy

2016-11-08 Thread hellekin
As you may have noticed, last week-end the security updates for JESSIE and ASCII didn't work. We apologize for that glitch which reminds us we're still in Beta. The problem was fixed and shouldn't happen again. Recent changes in the devuan-keyring package made that the secondary instance of Ampr

Re: [DNG] archive of this mailing list?

2016-11-08 Thread Giovanni Rapagnani
Hi, I can provide you with an archive with the emails since 3/dec/2014. The mailing list started on 7/nov/2014. The emails will be in Maildir format. If that suits you, let me know and I'll send you a link off-list. Giovanni On 06/11/16 21:17, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 07/11/16 05:28, go

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 at 09:31:31 +0100 Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: [...] > devuan-discuss mailing list was created early May with the hope that was created *in* early May We might add "early May 2016", to let it stay relevant after May 2017. > systemd-free living, Devuan issues and Devuan futur a

Re: [DNG] archive of this mailing list?

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi Giovanni, On 08/11/16 21:10, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > I can provide you with an archive with the emails since 3/dec/2014. The > mailing list started on 7/nov/2014. > > The emails will be in Maildir format. That will be perfect, thank you. > If that suits you, let me know and I'll send you

Re: [DNG] lxde menu missing shutdown, etc.

2016-11-08 Thread hal
Paweł Cholewinski wrote on 11/07/2016 03:39 PM: > Hi, try this > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160825.182542.61d57934.en.html > > On 05.11.2016 11:23, hal wrote: >> Hi All, >> I noticed my lxde logout menu[1] is missing some items. All I have >> are "Lock screen" "Logout" and "Cancel".

Re: [DNG] Recent Security Update Discrepancy

2016-11-08 Thread Emiliano Marini
This are great news. Keep up the good work! Cheers, Emiliano. On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:20 AM, hellekin wrote: > As you may have noticed, last week-end the security updates for JESSIE > and ASCII didn't work. We apologize for that glitch which reminds us > we're still in Beta. The problem was

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread hellekin
On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > > Based on these observations, I think the information on [2] should be > updated to tell DNG is the primary ML. devuan-discuss would better be > closed and all the subscribers informed that DNG is the primary ML for > getting help and discuss ab

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 08/11/16 23:05, hellekin wrote: > On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: > P.S.: in the meantime I edited the web site to remove mention of > devuan-discuss to avoid confusion. But I'd rather do the opposite, and > freeze DNG. I agree with with you. DNG sounded to me like a tempor

[DNG] Devuan-based Distros

2016-11-08 Thread hellekin
The page at https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros is a bit outdated and quite messy. I'd like to make a complete list of Devuan-Based distros, including a presentation, link to the site, distrowatch entry if any, etc. Besides, a lot of people seem to choose SourceForge to host their distro

[DNG] Devuan Editors (was Re: apt-get update fails [FIXED])

2016-11-08 Thread hellekin
On 11/06/2016 08:59 PM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > BTW, I think two or three lines a month about the apparently heavy work > under the hood would help to reduce the perception of discrepancy > between the often-quoted "rock solid beta" statement and "accidents" > like this^^ > Yup. We have a Dev

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

2016-11-08 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Simon Hobson writes: > Nate Bargmann wrote: >> After I thought about it some, there is a certain logic to udev's >> behavior but it would seem to make more sense if the network adapter is >> on a hot-pluggable interface (PCMCIA, USB, etc.), or is in addition to >> the adapter already assigned to

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

2016-11-08 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:00:10PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > It's pretty easy to fix this: > > - assign a sequence number to each driver load event reflecting > the device detection order > > - use a module loading program (really a modprobe wrapper) > utiliz

Re: [DNG] Why does systemd do such stupid things

2016-11-08 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Adam Borowski writes: > On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:00:10PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> It's pretty easy to fix this: >> >> - assign a sequence number to each driver load event reflecting >> the device detection order >> >> - use a module loading program (really a modprob

[DNG] impending release candidate?

2016-11-08 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 10:20:08AM +0100, hellekin wrote: > everyone is rushing to > prepare a new beta version of JESSIE that will act as an Release Candidate. An impending release candidate is good news. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread golinux
On 2016-11-08 06:05, hellekin wrote: On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: Based on these observations, I think the information on [2] should be updated to tell DNG is the primary ML. devuan-discuss would better be closed and all the subscribers informed that DNG is the primary ML f

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Jaromil
One thing I learned from Permaculture design principles, which somehow deal very much with community and on many levels: never touch unless you have a reason to. A single "I don't like" is too subjective and won't ever become an executive reason nor decision. you can blow *me* away if I'll ever do

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Rob Owens
A solution might be to: 1) rename this list if deemed necessary 2) route all devuan-discuss emails to dng This will combine the two lists without requiring users to make any changes. If the name change is deemed necessary, the new name can be promoted on the website, but the old email addresse

Re: [DNG] Devuan-based Distros

2016-11-08 Thread aitor_czr
Hi hk, On 11/08/2016 08:17 PM, hellekin wrote: The page athttps://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros is a bit outdated and quite messy. I'd like to make a complete list of Devuan-Based distros, including a presentation, link to the site, distrowatch entry if any, etc. Besides, a lot of peo

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 01:05:27PM +0100, hellekin wrote: > The devuan-discuss mailing list was created to harmonize the lists: > devuan-announce, devuan-discuss, and devuan-dev, and to move away from > the "Debian is Not GNOME" antagonist pattern. If you wouldn't have just mentioned "the "Debian

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 08/11/2016 21:05, hellekin a écrit : On 11/06/2016 02:59 PM, Giovanni Rapagnani wrote: Based on these observations, I think the information on [2] should be updated to tell DNG is the primary ML. devuan-discuss would better be closed and all the subscribers informed that DNG is the primary ML

Re: [DNG] devuan-discuss is not useful, quite the opposite

2016-11-08 Thread Thomas Besser
Am 09.11.2016 um 00:44 schrieb Gregory Nowak: > If you wouldn't have just mentioned "the "Debian is Not GNOME" > antagonist pattern," I would have continued in thinking that dng > stands for "debian next generation", as with lprng, which I rather > like actually. Never thought about the meaning of