Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:43:33 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > The JSON I saw wasn't XML-encoded. I saw no end tags, though it did > have matching curly brackets. See > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JSON#Example When I said "end tags", I was including ending curly braces. Matter of fact, those are

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread aitor_czr
Hi, On 08/05/2016 09:09 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: > No news from Jude for almost one year:-( Commits to vdev on github are as recent as April this year. Also, I think his continued work depends on feedback from testers. > I'm partial time reading documentation and s

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:43:33 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > And the preceding system is human readable, human parsable, and to a > > degree human creatable. But... > > > > Human creatable is relative. Yes, adding a new node to the me

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
In the case of simple parsing requirements, I prefer to have the program itself do the parsing instead of relying on an external parser. This remove the extra dependency on the parser. I would also like to comment on the text file format in which menus and menu trees will be stored. If I were to c

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

2016-08-06 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 05.08.2016 10:16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > There are limits, when the size of the keywords starts to make the > content harder to find. There's a reason common words in natural > languages are short. There's no real advantage in having a keyword > PROCEDURE (yes, all in caps) when PROC would d

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

2016-08-06 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 05.08.2016 15:06, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Python is quite readable without either. NAK. I wouldn't count a language that uses whitepaces as language constructsanything near 'readable'. --mtx ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglis

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread info at smallinnovations.nl
On 06-08-16 10:39, Edward Bartolo wrote: In the case of simple parsing requirements, I prefer to have the program itself do the parsing instead of relying on an external parser. This remove the extra dependency on the parser. I would also like to comment on the text file format in which menus an

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread shraptor
On 2016-08-06 10:15, aitor_czr wrote: Hi, On 08/05/2016 09:09 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: No news from Jude for almost one year :-( Commits to vdev on github are as recent as April this year. Also, I think his continued work depends on feedback from testers. I'm partial time

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

2016-08-06 Thread ael
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 11:20:30AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > > NAK. I wouldn't count a language that uses whitepaces as > language constructsanything near 'readable'. FWIW, -1. I have exactly the opposite experience and thus view. I don't see the point of dogmatic statemen

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 10:39:14AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > In the case of simple parsing requirements, I prefer to have the > program itself do the parsing instead of relying on an external > parser. This remove the extra dependency on the parser. > > I would also like to comment on the tex

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread aitor_czr
On 08/06/2016 02:00 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein Albert Einstein..., an his wife. Be sure. She had the knowledge about covariant and contravariant vectors, etc... She was the mathematical :) Aitor. _

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread aitor_czr
On 08/06/2016 03:10 PM, aitor_czr wrote: She was the mathematical Mathematician ? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 04:26:15AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 23:43:33 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 03:15:24PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > And the preceding system is human readable, human parsable, and to a > > > degree human creatable. But..

Re: [DNG] Would you guys hate me if...

2016-08-06 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Hendrik Boom writes: Liinux has a decent file system. It has a decent set of tools for manageing them. Its file systems even have mechanisms for storing many small files. It even has symbolic links, that can be see-also's. I really don't see that the problem of storing menus requires furthe

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread fsmithred
On 08/06/2016 04:15 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > As i announced yersterday in the IRC Channel, i just uploaded the > repository of gnuinos containing (in addition to linux-libre-4.6.2 and > simple-netaid) the packages of vdev: > > deb http://packages.gnuinos.org/ jessie main > deb-src http://packages

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread aitor_czr
On 08/06/2016 04:38 PM, fsmithred wrote: On 08/06/2016 04:15 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > >As i announced yersterday in the IRC Channel, i just uploaded the >repository of gnuinos containing (in addition to linux-libre-4.6.2 and >simple-netaid) the packages of vdev: > >debhttp://packages.gnuinos.or

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread aitor_czr
On 08/06/2016 04:38 PM, fsmithred wrote: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 08/06/2016 04:15 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > >As i announced yersterday in the IRC Channel, i just uploaded the >repository of gnuinos containing (in addition to linux-libre-4.6.2 and >simple-netaid) the packages

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread fsmithred
On 08/06/2016 11:10 AM, aitor_czr wrote: > > > On 08/06/2016 04:38 PM, fsmithred wrote: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> On 08/06/2016 04:15 AM, aitor_czr wrote: >>> > >>> >As i announced yersterday in the IRC Channel, i just uploaded the >>> >repository of gnuinos containing (in

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

2016-08-06 Thread Brian Nash
I guess I'm learning COBOL then! C11 is a little too abstract anyway. (at least, GCC makes it abstract) On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 02:41:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Politics of IT in the U.S. government http://www.itworld.com/article/3103585/government-it/politics-blamed-for-feds-reliance-on-o

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

2016-08-06 Thread Brian Nash
On Wed, Aug 03, 2016 at 04:00:53PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: And last I heard, they were processing everything on magnetic tapes. It might be better for them to use a database on redundant, backed-up disk drives. Perhaps that's the motive for a rewrite, rather than it all being COBOL. If they

Re: [DNG] Politics of IT in the U.S. government

2016-08-06 Thread Brian Nash
On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 07:59:16PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: That's exactly why I like Modula 3. You use structured code where that's good. You use objects and inheritance where that's good. You use interaes and modules where that's good. And all those are separate concepts that can be used i

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

2016-08-06 Thread Brian Nash
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 01:50:01PM +0100, ael wrote: On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 11:20:30AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: NAK. I wouldn't count a language that uses whitepaces as language constructsanything near 'readable'. FWIW, -1. I have exactly the opposite experience and th

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread Joel Roth
fsmithred wrote: > OK, I added the fskit packages, and now the vdevd command creates devices > in vdev-test. The rest of Jude's instructions seem to be specific to a > build from source. They don't do anything. (No rule to make target) > > What do I need to do to create the initramfs and the init

Re: [DNG] UMENU (v2)

2016-08-06 Thread Brian Nash
What about the linux kconf menus? (`make menuconfig`) Once menuconfig is compiled, it is executed with a Kconfig file passed as an argument. It loads the file (and included files) very quickly, and the Kconfig files are _massive_. After it loads the file(s), it parses them, then determines what

Re: [DNG] UMENU (v2)

2016-08-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 6 Aug 2016 17:12:14 -0400 Brian Nash wrote: > On Thu, Aug 04, 2016 at 02:36:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >The last two items on the preceding list are why deployment is so > >problematic. On my system, each of my 237 submenus requires its > >own .mnu (menu description) file. These are

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread aitor_czr
On 08/06/2016 04:38 PM, shraptor wrote: On 2016-08-06 10:15, aitor_czr wrote: >Hi, > >On 08/05/2016 09:09 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > >>Didier Kryn wrote: >> No news from Jude for almost one year:-( >> >>Commits to vdev on github are as recent as April this year. >>Also, I think his contin

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

2016-08-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 06/08/2016 11:20, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult a écrit : I wouldn't count a language that uses whitepaces as language constructsanything near 'readable'. +1 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.

2016-08-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 06/08/2016 22:55, Brian Nash a écrit : In makefiles, tabs have a special meaning, and it works well. Sure, but that's not the best of make! Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listi

Re: [DNG] vdev

2016-08-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 05/08/2016 19:30, richard lucassen a écrit : On Fri, 5 Aug 2016 18:55:04 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Anyone here running vdev? I just looked around a bit, but there seems to be little activity: https://git.devuan.org/unsystemd/vdev/activity No news from Jude for almost one year :-( Wh