Re: [DNG] Coreutils 8.25 ls output

2016-02-19 Thread Aldemir Akpinar
On 19 February 2016 at 05:11, dev1fanboy wrote: > Little late to this thread, that sounds like annoying default behaviour > and more of this same mentality that breaking backwards compatibility is > OK, it's really not at all. Really it should be the other way, set -N to > use the new wrapping. B

Re: [DNG] Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit

2016-02-19 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/02/2016 00:19, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: [...] >>That's a theoretical argument I agree with: I think the server/ service >>management code shouldn't be part of init especially since it's >>virtually unused but that's really a tiny addition to the process >>starting c

Re: [DNG] Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit

2016-02-19 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/02/2016 18:05, Steve Litt a écrit : On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:15:55 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Hence the argument already exposed by several persons on this >list, in particular Laurent: let's pid1 do*only* what no other >program can do. ==

Re: [DNG] Installing different version of Linux

2016-02-19 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, On 02/15/2016 12:08 PM, swdev wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:05:52AM +, Dave Turner wrote: >On 14/02/16 08:55, swdev wrote: > >Hi there > > > >Long time lurker - first post:) > > > >Thanks for all the hard-work from the Devuan developers. > > > >I installed devuan alpha2 maybe

Re: [DNG] Installing different version of Linux

2016-02-19 Thread aitor_czr
Hi again, On 02/19/2016 12:13 PM, aitor_czr wrote: Hi all, On 02/15/2016 12:08 PM, swdev wrote: On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 09:05:52AM +, Dave Turner wrote: >On 14/02/16 08:55, swdev wrote: > >Hi there > > > >Long time lurker - first post:) > > > >Thanks for all the hard-work from the Devua

Re: [DNG] Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit

2016-02-19 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 19/02/2016 00:19, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Didier Kryn writes: >> >> [...] >> >>That's a theoretical argument I agree with: I think the server/ service >>management code shouldn't be part of init especially since it's >>virtually unused but that's reall

Re: [DNG] Runlevels (Was: Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit)

2016-02-19 Thread Simon Hobson
Rainer Weikusat wrote: > The abstract definition of 'runlevel' is (as far as I'm aware of it): > "Set of processes supposed to be running". That's what I understand it to be. > Considering this, one can > safely conclude that whatever 'Dennys' did, he certainly didn't to > that. A somewhat educ

Re: [DNG] Coreutils 8.25 ls output

2016-02-19 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Aldemir Akpinar writes: [...] > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2016-02/msg00026.html For the sake of factual accuracy: As far as publically know, nobody ever sent death threats to Lennart Poettering because of an opinion on system differing from his own. At some point in time in th

Re: [DNG] Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit

2016-02-19 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 18/02/2016 18:05, Steve Litt a écrit : >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:15:55 +0100 >> Didier Kryn wrote: >> >>> > Hence the argument already exposed by several persons on this >>> >list, in particular Laurent: let's pid1 do*only* what no other >>> >program can do. >>

Re: [DNG] Lead BusyBox developer on sysvinit

2016-02-19 Thread Rainer Weikusat
- I'm using a wireless Logitech USB keyboard which acts just like an unreliable datagram service, ie, it loses, reorders or duplicates keystrokes whenever it feels like that (wired version of the same model is no better) - Didier Kryn writes: > Le 18/02/2016 18:05, Steve Litt a écrit : [.

[DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-19 Thread aitor_czr
Hi all, Did you watch the following video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfKGXQnxIvE&list=PLV5TRjrpiwATav0Dlhd_GRjc2ZRuV26kR A conference by a system administrator interrupted by Lennart Poettering (at the end of that). Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-19 Thread Emiliano Marini
Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt systemd, it's distribution developers fault. If Gnome forces a dependency upon systemd, dump Gnome. If you don wan't to sacrifice (name any piece of crap forcing a systemd dependency), it's your fault. On Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-19 Thread dev1fanboy
Seen this before, I think he is a little gullible in this presentation to believe there would be a reasonable back and forth and allows a dialogue to take place during his presentation. So he really shouldn't have allowed a debate until the end, but he had made some good points here I thought.

Re: [DNG] systemd==bad

2016-02-19 Thread dev1fanboy
Not altogether true, but users can and should jump ship immediately when these things happen (assuming they're not happy with it). Cheers, chillfan On Saturday, February 20, 2016 2:47 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: > Maybe he's right, it's software libre. He isn't forcing anyone to adopt > system

Re: [DNG] Coreutils 8.25 ls output

2016-02-19 Thread dev1fanboy
Some interesting posts, I don't think it's directly related to systemd but the mentality is not far off. Some developer likes the feature so everyone should have it because that one developer likes it. Maybe most users won't complain, but I bet those users won't be the ones who use the shell oft