Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change

2016-02-06 Thread info at smallinnovations.nl
On 2016-02-04 07:03, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >Do you agree to renaming netman? YES and netbarx is a sound name for such usefull peace of software. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:46:59 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206034659.ga23...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:10PM -0500, fsmithred wrote: > > On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Didier Kryn wrote: > > >> > > >> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand n

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:21 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <56b5425d.6020...@gnuinos.org>: > On 02/05/2016 07:18 PM, Go Linux wrote: > > Every name I came up with was already in multiple use. I also > > thought of netbarx which is completely unique. Kinda like it > > actually. > > > > goli

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 02/05/2016 09:38 PM, fsmithred wrote: > On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: >> Didier Kryn wrote: >>> The ability to brick the motherboard is brand new. Therefore admins >>> should be seriously protected and warned against this eventuality, at least >>> until it percolates into the gene

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 06/02/2016 13:32, Arnt Karlsen a écrit : On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:46:59 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206034659.ga23...@topoi.pooq.com>: On Fri, Feb 05, 2016 at 09:38:10PM -0500, fsmithred wrote: On 02/05/2016 08:48 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Didier Kryn wrote: The ability to brick th

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Go Linux
Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] transmission-daemon package

2016-02-06 Thread dev1fanboy
So I am trying to build transmission-daemon without systemd, was just testing this locally and run into an issue. It can be built without systemd but transmission-gtk will no longer start downloading torrents. I think it is down to this error which appears when running transmission-gtk in a ter

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:33:44 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > >> People have always expected rm -rf / to destroy the OS. They >> also know that, from the keyboard, with root priviledge, they can >> destroy the partition table of the disk. All this is repairable by >> the admin

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Simon Hobson writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> But "the hardware" didn't "break". Certain vendor-supplied software >> reportedly ceases to function if certain EFI variables are deleted. > > That is the sort of linguistic gymnastics that vendors use to get out > of accepting responsibility for s

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 06/02/2016 17:19, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Steve Litt writes: >On Fri, 5 Feb 2016 18:33:44 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > >> People have always expected rm -rf / to destroy the OS. They >>also know that, from the keyboard, with root priviledge, they can >>destroy the partition table of t

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:19:07 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: [clip] > > With excellent backups, rm -rf / or even dd if=/dev/zero > > of=/dev/sda1 is correctable with a few hours of work, on the > > premises, with only resources on the premises. > > A somewhat seriously wrong

Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change

2016-02-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, grr! Wuff, wu. However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider my

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi, It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, grr! Wuff, wu. However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider my

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Steve Litt writes: > [clip] >> > With excellent backups, rm -rf / or even dd if=/dev/zero >> > of=/dev/sda1 is correctable with a few hours of work, on the >> > premises, with only resources on the premises. >> >> A somewhat seriously wrong con

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Go Linux
On Sat, 2/6/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name. To: "dng" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 11:30 AM Hi, It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, gr

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Peter Olson
> On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: > [snip] > However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name the project > after myself. I am a servant here, therefore I cannot consider myself I would nominate netservant as the name, but alas, it has already been taken. It seems

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only change the name of the project. Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: >> On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Bartolo wrote: >> > [snip] >> However, my ethical principles do not per

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, PUNNING will not be accepted. Those who want to use it, they can use it to name their offspring and family members!! I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Edward On 06/02/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name

Re: [DNG] Vote for/against netman name change

2016-02-06 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, PUNNING will not be accepted. Those who want to use it, they can use it to name their offspring and family members!! I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Edward On 06/02/2016, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users > and

[DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 12:14 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 16:19:07 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > Steve Litt writes: > [clip] > Come on, Rainer, it's obvious your last sentence is assumed in my > statement. What, did I have to completely specify it just to make the > obvi

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name of the project. > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > > On 06/02/2016, Peter Olson wrote: > > > On February 6, 2016 at 12:30 PM Edward Ba

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Go Linux
On Sat, 2/6/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name. To: "dng" Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 12:06 PM Hi All, PUNNING will not be accepted. Those who want to use it, they can use it to name their offspring and family members!! I have had enough. F

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 06:21:23PM +, Go Linux wrote: [cut] > > > > > Predictably, wrong thinking and self-identification leads to anger. Yawn. > Human history in a nutshell. All the technology of our 'evolved' species > doesn't change that

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:03:12PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > change the name of the project. > > Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > If you had read his email, instead of just throwing insults to him, you woul

Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 17, Issue 34

2016-02-06 Thread David Harrison
On 06/02/2016 18:27, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: I have had enough. Filter this rubbish! Amen, Edward. Let's start by filtering those rants. You asked a question and people, some of whom have given you a lot of useful advice over recent months, were good enough to answer you. You disag

Re: [DNG] Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 04:19:07PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Each of the mounted filesystems provides a set of methods implementing > the filesystem syscalls for this kind of filesystem and there are no > restriction regarding what these method might do. Eg, one could create a > filesystem

[DNG] writable efi

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? > Apologies if I missed the answer to this question in this long thread. Not on my nonefi devuan jessie alpha2 system. Anyone have an efi jessie to report on? -- hend

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 06:30:38PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > It is amusing to be exposed to so much appreciation of genuine users > and trolls alike. Yes, I bark quite a lot: Bow wow, ww, > grr! Wuff, wu. > > However, my ethical principles do not permit me to name

Re: [DNG] writable efi

2016-02-06 Thread Go Linux
On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] writable efi To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Is it true that /sys/firmware/efi is also mounted rw under sysvinit? > Apologies if I missed the ans

Re: [DNG] writable efi

2016-02-06 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:36:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Subject: [DNG] writable efi > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Saturday, February 6, 2016, 1:26 PM > > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 03:37:05PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > > Is it true that /sys/firmw

Re: [DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat
[...] > And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) > volunteered to maintain?? As far as I can tell, the "official standpoint" of 'Devuan' in this respect is 'no help wanted'. At least, no question for that I saw on this list, including my own, has ever received an answer. S

Re: [DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Rainer Weikusat writes: > [...] > >> And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) >> volunteered to maintain?? > > As far as I can tell, the "official standpoint" of 'Devuan' in this > respect is 'no help wanted'. At least, no question for that I saw on > this list, including my

Re: [DNG] Definitely OT!! Re: Bad UEFI: was Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-06 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 21:07 +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > [...] > > > And BTW: How many packages have you (meaning all on this list) > > volunteered to maintain?? > > As far as I can tell, the "official standpoint" of 'Devuan' in this > respect is 'no help wanted'. At least, no question for tha

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Edward, On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only >change the name of the project. > >Keep punning for your family members, SCUMBAG!!! > >On 06/02/2016,

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 19:18:29 +0100, Svante wrote in message <1454782709.2888.49.ca...@gmail.com>: > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can only > > change the name of the project. > > > > Keep punning for your fami

Re: [DNG] writable efi

2016-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:36:26 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message <20160206203626.gf5...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 07:36:15PM +, Go Linux wrote: > > On Sat, 2/6/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Subject: [DNG] writable efi > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Date: Saturday, February

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 01:27:26 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message <56b68f6e.4090...@gnuinos.org>: > Hi Edward, > > On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > >> >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is me who can

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-06 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Feb 07, 2016 at 02:26:16AM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sun, 07 Feb 2016 01:27:26 +0100, aitor_czr wrote: > > On 02/06/2016 07:27 PM, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > > > On Sat, 2016-02-06 at 19:03 +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > >> >Whether you like it, systemd TROLL or NOT, it is

Re: [DNG] transmission-daemon package

2016-02-06 Thread shraptor
On 2016-02-06 17:18, dev1fanboy wrote: So I am trying to build transmission-daemon without systemd, was just testing this locally and run into an issue. It can be built without systemd but transmission-gtk will no longer start downloading torrents. I think it is down to this error which appears