[DNG] About Devuan News

2016-02-01 Thread Noel Torres
hellekin escribió: # Devuan News Issue LX [...] this is your news, and you can make it! Moreover, we don't really know who's reading, and whether this newsletter fulfills an actual need. We'd appreciate feedback about how we could better the newsletter -- what works, what doesn't and what'

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/02/2016 01:24, Go Linux a écrit : On Sun, 1/31/16, Didier Kryn wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, January 31, 2016, 5:12 PM Le 31/01/2016 23:59, Go Linux a écrit : > So how did packagekit get in there? I'm afraid it

[DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
A suggestion / request: Can Mailman predict the URL under which Lurker will archive the message it is processing "on the fly", or is there even a variable available? Quoting and referencing "third party" messages would be so much easier, if mails contained their own Lurker URL in the signature!

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:37:47 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > You should use --no-install-recommends in apt-get. It is > possible to configure apt-get to proceed like this by default but > I've no expertise in how to configure it. In synaptic, you can set > this behaviour in config/preferences/gene

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/02/2016 12:09, Florian Zieboll a écrit : florian@nulldevice:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01norecommend APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; #APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "0"; Synaptic will override this setting, if the relevant option is checked. Apparently s

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 12:47:51 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > Apparently synaptic keeps its config in its own config file > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99synaptic. Do you mean synaptic reads all config > files in order, and since 99synaptic is the last, it can override all > previous settings? For the

Re: [DNG] About Devuan News

2016-02-01 Thread hellekin
On 02/01/2016 09:24 AM, Noel Torres wrote: > > For familiar reasons I'm not able to continue working in the beautiful > Devuan News work I started, but I love to know that it continues alive. > Reading it is my main point of connection with the Devuan community and > as such I need it to continue.

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Simon Hobson
Florian Zieboll wrote: > For the fun of it, I just ran an "apt-get install --install-recommends > --no-install-recommends" and it chose to not install the recommends. > The same with contradicting lines in apt.conf(.d/*): > > APT::Install-Recommends "0"; > APT::Install-Recommends "1"; > > Thi

Re: [DNG] Semi OT: Mailman, Lurker and referencing messages

2016-02-01 Thread hellekin
On 02/01/2016 10:49 AM, Florian Zieboll wrote: > > Can Mailman predict the URL under which Lurker will archive the message > it is processing "on the fly", or is there even a variable available? > > Quoting and referencing "third party" messages would be so much easier, > if mails contained thei

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 13:13:43 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Florian Zieboll wrote: > > > As with any of these newish "*.d/" folders, you can just > > > > $ cat apt.conf.d/* > apt.conf && rm -r apt.conf.d/ > > > > without any consequences regarding the configuration. AFAIU this is > > all about

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/02/2016 14:13, Simon Hobson a écrit : Florian Zieboll wrote: For the fun of it, I just ran an "apt-get install --install-recommends --no-install-recommends" and it chose to not install the recommends. The same with contradicting lines in apt.conf(.d/*): APT::Install-Recommends "0";

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 31/01/2016 14:28, Edward Bartolo a écrit : >> The question is how do memory managers succeed to remain efficient and >> yet cope with memory allocation of so many different sizes? > > I doubt they're efficient. > > If you really need an efficient memory allocator -

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Rainer Weikusat writes: [...] > A more problematic (for some definition of problematic) situation is > when there are many objects of different sizes and if objects whose > size is identical have vastly differing lifetimes. This introduces > so-called 'external fragmentation' into the malloc hea

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/02/2016 17:16, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Rainer Weikusat writes: [...] A more problematic (for some definition of problematic) situation is when there are many objects of different sizes and if objects whose size is identical have vastly differing lifetimes. This introduces so-called 'e

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 05:36:38PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: [cut] > > Note that if you manage your memory pool as an array then > allocation and deallocation are extremely fast and can be done > without consuming a single byte for book-keeping. I think this > almost trivial allocator actual

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 01/02/2016 17:16, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> Rainer Weikusat writes: >> >> [...] >> >>> A more problematic (for some definition of problematic) situation is >>> when there are many objects of different sizes and if objects whose >>> size is identical have vastly differi

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
KatolaZ writes: > On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 05:36:38PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> Note that if you manage your memory pool as an array then >> allocation and deallocation are extremely fast and can be done >> without consuming a single byte for book-keeping. I think this >> alm

Re: [DNG] Wifi device names: was systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2016 18:20:12 -0500 > Steve Litt wrote: [...] > === > #!/bin/sh > lineno=${1:-1} > > fn=`mktemp` > > ip -o link | \ > cut -d ' ' -f2 | \ > grep ^w | \ > tr -d : > $fn > > maxdev=`wc -l $fn | cut -d ' ' -f 1` > if

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 15:58:36 +0100 Didier Kryn wrote: > On my laptop the file 99synaptic contains only one line: > APT::Install-Recommends "false"; > > If all the files are read by all apt tools, then the setting > meant for synaptic applies to all apt tools. If i'd purge synaptic, > th

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 31/01/2016 23:59, Go Linux a écrit : I must check for default-jre and gimp because both are pretty usefull. Yep, default-jre, default-jre-headless and gimp are installed. If I try to remove libsystemd0, it only requires to remove also gvfs, gvfs-daemons and gvfs-fuse, but, as explained

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-02-01 Thread John Morris
On Sat, 2016-01-30 at 17:03 +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > +1 > seems like kindergarten in here Think this is the best response yet in this overlong thread. Somebody said something kinda childish and offtopic and a polite corrective nudge to be a bit more adult was called for and should have end

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/02/2016 17:52, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : there's a known upper bound for the maximum number of objects which will be needed Some applications need to asynchronously create and destroy large numbers of objects while the total number of objects at any given time remains bounded. Creatin

[DNG] missing driver stops alpha4-i386 netinst

2016-02-01 Thread TN
When running the alpha4 install for my x686, it displays the error, "e100/d101m_ucode.bin nonfree driver missing" and invites me to install it from a floppy. But the installation continues and downloads the installation programs it needs, stopping before setting up users to again reques

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Didier Kryn writes: > Le 01/02/2016 17:52, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : >> there's a known upper bound for the maximum number of objects which will >> be needed > > Some applications need to asynchronously create and destroy large > numbers of objects while the total number of objects at any give

Re: [DNG] Never say that again: was Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-02-01 Thread Rainer Weikusat
John Morris writes: > On Sat, 2016-01-30 at 17:03 +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > >> +1 >> seems like kindergarten in here > > Think this is the best response yet in this overlong thread. Somebody > said something kinda childish and offtopic and a polite corrective > nudge to be a bit more adult w

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 01/02/2016 22:38, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : Didier Kryn writes: Le 01/02/2016 17:52, Rainer Weikusat a écrit : there's a known upper bound for the maximum number of objects which will be needed Some applications need to asynchronously create and destroy large numbers of objects while

Re: [DNG] Memory management strategies.

2016-02-01 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Feb 01, 2016 at 04:59:37PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [cut] > > The original slab allocator was implemented by Jeff Bonwick for the > SunOS kernel (5, not 4) and it decidedly didn't work in this way. It > used type-segregated, linked free lists and was based on some kind of > underlyi

Re: [DNG] missing driver stops alpha4-i386 netinst

2016-02-01 Thread Florian Zieboll
On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 15:36:26 -0600 TN wrote: > When running the alpha4 install for my x686, it displays the > error, "e100/d101m_ucode.bin nonfree driver missing" and invites me > to install it from a floppy. Debian does not include proprietary (non-free) software and I don't know about the

[DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-01 Thread Wim
Hi all, It seems you can delete EFI vars if you're not careful. Someone found that executing "rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" also deleted EFI vars, turning his MSI Notebook into a brick. It also seems mounting these is hardcoded into systemd: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=207549 efib

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-01 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 02/01/2016 06:12 PM, Wim wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems you can delete EFI vars if you're not careful. Someone found > that executing "rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" also deleted EFI vars, > turning his MSI Notebook into a brick. > > It also seems mounting these is hardcoded into systemd: > > h

Re: [DNG] Systemd at work: rm -rf EFI

2016-02-01 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 02/01/2016 08:59 PM, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 02/01/2016 06:12 PM, Wim wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> It seems you can delete EFI vars if you're not careful. Someone found >> that executing "rm -rf --no-preserve-root /" also deleted EFI vars, >> turning his MSI Notebook into a brick. >> >> It also

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Simon Wise
On 02/02/16 01:58, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 01/02/2016 14:13, Simon Hobson a écrit : Florian Zieboll wrote: For the fun of it, I just ran an "apt-get install --install-recommends --no-install-recommends" and it chose to not install the recommends. The same with contradicting lines in apt.conf(.d

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Simon Wise
On 02/02/16 00:13, Simon Hobson wrote: Florian Zieboll wrote: For the fun of it, I just ran an "apt-get install --install-recommends --no-install-recommends" and it chose to not install the recommends. The same with contradicting lines in apt.conf(.d/*): APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::

Re: [DNG] systemd is haunting me

2016-02-01 Thread Simon Wise
On 01/02/16 22:47, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 01/02/2016 12:09, Florian Zieboll a écrit : florian@nulldevice:~$ cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01norecommend APT::Install-Recommends "0"; APT::Install-Suggests "0"; #APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "0"; Synaptic will override this setting, if the relevan