On 20/01/16 20:57, Steve Litt wrote:
> People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them any run
> scripts I'm using. Also, Runit run scripts are *nothing* like sysvinit
> or OpenRC init scripts: Most are five lines or less, few are over 10
> lines.
As I mentioned before, I run quite
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> - Some headers to tell utilities what runlevels the service should run
>> at, and dependencies.
>
> That's a LSB invention. It's a grotesque travesty as it uses 'magic
> comments' to embed a declarative mini programming language in an init
> script which is only ever us
Le 20/01/2016 23:25, dev1fanboy a écrit :
Not surprising. They already threw a party for Debian 8 (not debian in general,
but debian 8).
http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/
The ethical break down is enough of a reason for them to throw a party imho.
On
> As I mentioned before, I run quite a bunch of Debian servers (wheezy
> and jessie) with runit as both process supervisor and init system.
> To simplify deployment I wrote small debian packages for my run
> scripts. It's definitely not production ready, but it's been working
> for me for years.
>
Le 21/01/2016 05:57, Simon Wise a écrit :
On 19/01/16 04:59, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:43 +1100
Simon Wise wrote:
But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses critical
functionality without a session dbus running (it no longer connects
to the cut buffer and clipboard ..
Didier Kryn wrote:
>It's absolutely amazing that one can be a Debian developper and a member
> of Microsoft in the same time. Yes, that's an ethical break down of the whole
> Debian project.
I think some people are reading more into this than they should.
There is no reason whatsoever that
Daniel Reurich wrote:
> perhaps doing the same thing as init-system-helpers dh_systemd package
> to add support for runit into each respective package.
That's the logical way to do it - the init script(s) should be part of the
package. The downside of that is the requirement for every package m
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:12:08AM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
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>
>
> I have to say that some of what I see written on this list plays right into
> the "bunch of hippies with an axe to grind" stereotype some people like to
> bash GNU/Linux/FOSS with.
> I realise some people have strong vi
KatolaZ wrote:
> Well, not everybody pays his bills developing open source software,
> but if I were a Debian developer, who had adhered to the debian Social
> Contract [1], I would find it difficult to organise a fest to
> celebrate Microsoft offering Debian as an option on its
> azure-whatever.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:08:19PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> > Well, not everybody pays his bills developing open source software,
> > but if I were a Debian developer, who had adhered to the debian Social
> > Contract [1], I would find it difficult to organise a fest to
> >
On 21/01/16 11:20, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Daniel Reurich wrote:
>
>> perhaps doing the same thing as init-system-helpers dh_systemd package
>> to add support for runit into each respective package.
>
> That's the logical way to do it - the init script(s) should be part of the
> package. The down
On Thursday, January 21, 2016 12:08 PM, Simon Hobson
wrote:
> KatolaZ wrote:
>
> Whether supporting Debian on Azure is just logical, or there's an ulterior
> motive, it's happened and we don't know which reason it is. What I am sure
> about though is that talking as though there's nothing MS
On 2016-01-21 09:32, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:08:19PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
KatolaZ wrote:
> Well, not everybody pays his bills developing open source software,
> but if I were a Debian developer, who had adhered to the debian Social
> Contract [1], I would find it diffic
dev1fanboy wrote:
> So for having our own values we are a "hardcore cult", how dare we voice our
> opinions or stand up for our values (like anyone else in the free software
> community, btw). Better yet, let's go back to debian because otherwise we're
> elitists.
That's not what I said - a
Mat wrote:
>> That's the logical way to do it - the init script(s) should be part of the
>> package. The downside of that is the requirement for every package
>> maintainer (team) to understand and support multiple init systems - or for
>> someone supporting an init system to become a maintain
Le 21/01/2016 13:08, Simon Hobson a écrit :
What if we s/Microsoft/Rackspace/
(you can use pretty well any hosting outfit really)
The basic underlying thing that this announcement shows is that ${company} now
supports ${OS} on it's hosting platform. Yes, the sole reason they are doing it
where
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:03:18AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 21/01/2016 05:57, Simon Wise a écrit :
> >On 19/01/16 04:59, Steve Litt wrote:
> >>On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:43 +1100
> >>Simon Wise wrote:
> >>
> >>>But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses critical
> >>>functionality with
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:14:48AM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
> > The sendmail init scripts is 1340 lines long, 901 of which contain code.
>
> I wasn't aware of that, I am inclined to agree that it sounds "way too much"
Presuably because sendmail is way too much.
--
Simon Hobson writes:
> dev1fanboy wrote:
>
>> So for having our own values we are a "hardcore cult", how dare we
>> voice our opinions or stand up for our values (like anyone else in
>> the free software community, btw). Better yet, let's go back to
>> debian because otherwise we're elitists.
>
>
Hendrik Boom writes:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 09:14:48AM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
>
>> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>>
>> > The sendmail init scripts is 1340 lines long, 901 of which contain code.
>>
>> I wasn't aware of that, I am inclined to agree that it sounds "way too much"
>
> Presuably beca
Le 21/01/2016 12:33, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 11:03:18AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 21/01/2016 05:57, Simon Wise a écrit :
On 19/01/16 04:59, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:43 +1100
Simon Wise wrote:
But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses crit
As long as this made some impact, I'd like
to point out that, in my opinion,
'tis not bad when particular people
work in particular companies, while
having a part time job in other projects.
Linux, GNU and their childer should not
be affiliated with companies such as Microsoft.
Microsoft has differ
On 21/01/16 08:21 AM, Marlon Nunes wrote:
On 2016-01-21 09:32, KatolaZ wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:08:19PM +, Simon Hobson wrote:
KatolaZ wrote:
> Well, not everybody pays his bills developing open source software,
> but if I were a Debian developer, who had adhered to the debian
S
Simon Hobson writes:
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>>> - Some headers to tell utilities what runlevels the service should run
>>> at, and dependencies.
>>
>> That's a LSB invention. It's a grotesque travesty as it uses 'magic
>> comments' to embed a declarative mini programming language in an init
>>
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 11:03:18 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> I installed roxterm and rox-filer. Both are just nice behaving.
> roxterm doesn't seem to differ in apearence, configurability or
> behaviour, from xfce4-terminal or gnome-terminal.
I too have used rox-filer (but not yet rox-session
Hi,
I've been hacking on the desktop-base package to add a bunch of features
like monitor size & aspect ratio detection to improve our chances of
selecting the best artwork, adding support for grub2 themes and using an
images manifest so the artwork can be updated without having to hack on
all of
Daniel Reurich writes:
> I'd like some other eyes to look over my code and point out any
> improvements/flaw.
>
> I haven't tested the code for setting the GRUB_THEME variable in
> /etc/default/grub (in debian/postinst) and I think it's rather crude to
> do it that way.
Some comments on that:
--
Joel Roth wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> How complicated is it to port such scripts to runit? Exim4's
> init.d script is 275 lines.
I see there is a library of scripts for runit,
although the page seems somewhat stale.
For example, exim 3 only.
http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.htm
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:02:43PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
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> update-boot(){
> if [ -n $1 ]; then
> case $1 in
> commented)
> echo -e "\n$DEF_GRUB_COMMENT\n# $DEF_GRUB_SETTING" >>
> $DEFAULT_GRUB
> return
> ;;
>
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:46:55 +0100, Didier wrote in message
<56a0ef5f.3050...@in2p3.fr>:
> Le 21/01/2016 13:08, Simon Hobson a écrit :
> > What if we s/Microsoft/Rackspace/
> > (you can use pretty well any hosting outfit really)
> > The basic underlying thing that this announcement shows is that
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:20:26 -1000
Joel Roth wrote:
> Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:23:10 +
> > Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> >
> > > Steve Litt writes:
> > > > People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them
> > > > any run scripts I'm using. Also, Runit run s
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:32:01 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> The real support to GNU/Linux and
> Debian has come from silent hackers.
The preceding sentence is the Stone Truth, and should be inscribed in
an image visible to all who use Linux for more than as a ticket to a
salary.
And before anyone comme
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 06:52:07PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
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>
> Here's pseudocode for the typical Runit run script that runs as root,
> doesn't need GUI capabilities, and needs no environment variables:
>
> =
> #!/bin/sh
> exec 2>&1
> exec /
Hi List,
... Follow the money...
Maybe this is related too?
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/39546.html
The Linux Foundation quietly dropped community representation. No more
voting rights for simple members.
Looks like a coup to me.
And that begs the question: "Who is Karen Sandler?"
https://en
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:08:19 +
Simon Hobson wrote:
> reading this list is like being at an evangelical meeting of some
> hardcore cult - and that *IS* very off-putting to a large number of
> people.
Both clauses of the preceding partial sentence are absolutely true. And
it goes without sayin
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 04:57:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 21/01/2016 12:33, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
> >So I tried installing it, and found that it recommended zeroinstall-injector.
> >Anyone know what this is? It seems to be a "platform-independent
> >package manager". What does this mean
Hi Daniel,
On 01/21/2016 11:11 PM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
Hi,
I've been hacking on the desktop-base package to add a bunch of features
like monitor size & aspect ratio detection to improve our chances of
selecting the best artwork, adding support for grub2 themes and using an
images manifest so
On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:41:40 +
Simon Hobson wrote:
> dev1fanboy wrote:
>
> > So for having our own values we are a "hardcore cult", how dare we
> > voice our opinions or stand up for our values (like anyone else in
> > the free software community, btw). Better yet, let's go back to
> > debi
On 21/01/16 21:03, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 21/01/2016 05:57, Simon Wise a écrit :
On 19/01/16 04:59, Steve Litt wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:31:43 +1100
Simon Wise wrote:
But recently discovered that xfce4-terminal loses critical
functionality without a session dbus running (it no longer conne
On 22/01/16 02:57, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 21/01/2016 12:33, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
Might it alleviate some of the above complaints?
I always use apt-get install --no-install-recommends, or "default upgrade" in
Synaptic. And I don't look at the recommended packages :-)
This "recommends" featu
On 22/01/16 07:41, Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 04:57:28PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
Le 21/01/2016 12:33, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
I suspect that zeroinstall is the native, cross-platform package
installer that Rox uses, and quite possibly that a lot of the
file-type handlers for
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:47:59 +1100
Simon Wise wrote:
> The second advantage for me (since I use colours to indicate some
> tasks) is the profile/theme configuration is easier to deal with and
> file based.
Yes! After the last time I did an rm -rf on my laptop, only to discover
it was in an ssh
On Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:52:39 +1100
Simon Wise wrote:
> On 22/01/16 02:57, Didier Kryn wrote:
> > This "recommends" feature has become a kind of bin for packages the
> > maintainers would like desperately to "require" for obscure
> > reasons, but they fail to find a valid one.
>
> But some mor
Steve Litt wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:20:26 -1000
> Joel Roth wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > How complicated is it to port such scripts to runit? Exim4's
> > init.d script is 275 lines.
> >
> > Joel
>
> Hi Joel,
>
> According to http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.html#exim , Runit's
>
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