Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread Simon Hobson
Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > I cannot for the life of me understand the quote from djb starting, "Don't > parse." > > What is it he doesn't like, and how does his text0 format keep him from doing > what he doesn't like? How I read it was ... Don't have a program you want to be controlled by anoth

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Rob, By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision is denied because xserver-xorg is not SUID root. If it is called from another SUID root program (a display manager like slim or lightdm) it will work. But first, you can try reinstalling xserver-xorg package to set

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/10/2015 21:23, Neo Futur a écrit : I pretty much stopped reading after the following line in the >composition: >== >Fourthly, I will only be dealing with systemd the service manager (of >which the init is an intracomponent subset, and also

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Rob
Original Message Subject: Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start Time (UTC): October 17 2015 8:19 am From: aitor_...@gnuinos.org To: dng@lists.dyne.org Hi Rob, By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision is denied because xserver-xorg is not

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Rob, Your kernel is 4.2.0-1. So, i suppose you are in Ascii or Ceres... If you start a X session using a display manager, the virtual console used by default will be the tty7. However, typing startx the X session should run in the first virtual console. As you know, you can jump from tty1

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Rob
Original Message Subject: Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start Time (UTC): October 17 2015 10:35 am From: aitor_...@gnuinos.org To: dng@lists.dyne.org Hi Rob, Your kernel is 4.2.0-1. So, i suppose you are in Ascii or Ceres... If you start a X session using a display

[DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green
Hi, Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd and udev (which I hope will be replaced with vdev), what are plans about including it in Devuan? And are there any alternatives to it, or at least something that provides features like mount-on-click without asking f

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Jonathan Wilkes writes: > I cannot for the life of me understand the quote from djb starting, > "Don't parse." What is it he doesn't like, and how does his text0 > format keep him from doing what he doesn't like? I can only speculate about the reasons but 'parsing', especially in the sense it is

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: Hi, Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/lis

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd > > http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ Interesting. Debian actually tags package version numbers

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Dragan FOSS
On 10/17/2015 05:51 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: Hi, Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ Interesting. Debian act

Re: [DNG] Detailed technical treatise of systemd

2015-10-17 Thread karl
Rainer Weikusat: ... > But "avoid writing parsers where feasible" is IMHO a sound piece > of advice. Eg, in case some sort of 'config file format' is needed, it's > often possible to get by by writing a set of > > variable=value > > statements in Bourne shell syntax and replace the 'start the pro

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green
On 2015-10-16 22:44, Rob wrote: > After upgrade tonight came out of Xorg to restart openbox. > > I tried to start Xorg but it failed with "xf86OpenConsole cannot open /dev/tty0 ( no such file or directory) > > /dev/tty0 was there so assumed permission problem. Temporarily added my user to tty g

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green
On 2015-10-17 17:11, Dragan FOSS wrote: > These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone > here already knows about them... Hmm and they are going to include angband repos or include packages one by one? In first case this is going to create a mess, the second one is a

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread Mitt Green
On 2015-10-17 18:05, Dragan FOSS wrote: > On 2015-10-17 17:11, Dragan FOSS wrote: > > These are customized packages made by Adam Borowski...I thought everyone > > here already knows about them... > > Hmm and they are going to include angband repos or include packages one > by one? > In first cas

Re: [DNG] upgrade 16/10/2015 xorg fails to start

2015-10-17 Thread Steve Litt
On half the distros on the planet, if you want X to work you need to suid /usr/bin/X*. SteveT On Sat, 17 Oct 2015 10:19:28 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Rob, > > By default, Devuan uses the seventh tty for X sessions. The permision > is denied because xserver-xorg is not SUID root. If it is cal

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread aitor_czr
I wasn't aware! Thanks, Aitor. On 17/10/15 19:18, Dragan FOSS wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: >>On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires systemd >> >>http://angband.pl/debian/

Re: [DNG] gvfs alternatives

2015-10-17 Thread David Hare
On 17/10/15 19:50, aitor_czr wrote: I wasn't aware! Thanks, Aitor. On 17/10/15 19:18, Dragan FOSS wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:57:59PM +0200, Dragan FOSS wrote: >>On 10/17/2015 03:50 PM, Mitt Green wrote: >>>Hi, >>> >>>Since gvfs is big (speaking of number of packages) and requires sy