Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Didn't the Debian Constitution ultimately help in screwing that distro up? Or was it some other bureaucratic device? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread natacha
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Agree Indeed thats the issue, And also the reason why things need to be though in a different manner hence not bureaucratic. n. On 09/28/2015 10:04 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > Didn't the Debian Constitution ultimately help in screwing that > di

Re: [DNG] The systemd thought process: was What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread John Crisp
On 26/09/15 19:39, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:34:58 +0200 > John Crisp wrote: > >> On 25/09/15 17:07, Hleb Valoshka wrote: > >>> I don't see any reason to throw away wicd and replace it with your >>> tool. >> >> Excellent. Who said you had too ? Is it compulsory or obligatory ? I

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread David Hare
Thanks Edward for your great effort, commitment and persistence and Aitor for packaging. I have yet to work out how to automatically connect on boot. A manpage is needed. An installation and some live images here use (self-compiled) eudev. The wireless inteface is not necessarily wlanx but a

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
To connect automatically on boot you only need to pass --auto-conn parameter to netman, the frontend GUI. I use it that way and it connects as soon as I log into XFCE4. Configure your desktop or window manager to run netman with --auto-conn as a parameter. So, the command should be like this: /usr

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
You can use udev to map wlan0 to the new device name so that netman would work. I was thinking about a configuration file for the backend so that it would be able to substitute wlan0 and eth0 with other device names as set up by the user. I was thinking about this format: wlanX=wireless-device-nam

[DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
Hi All, My next coding will be to add support for network interfaces other than wlan0 and eth0. Regarding this, I would like to have your ideas about how should I go not to minimally disrupt the already existing C code that is already working. My present idea is this: a) To connect to a wifi the

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread fsmithred
@Edward and David: Don't know if this is helpful or if you've already seen it... Here's how the new network interface naming scheme works (or is supposed to work): http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ From that page: "By default, systemd v197 will n

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Rainer Weikusat
fsmithred writes: > @Edward and David: > > Don't know if this is helpful or if you've already seen it... > > Here's how the new network interface naming scheme works (or is supposed > to work): > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ Something worthy o

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
If I were to write this implementation I would do it this way: i) do the above as described to obtain a list of devices ii) sort the list alphabetically by name iii) rename the list as usual. That would get rid of all randomness. Edward On 28/09/2015, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > fsmithred writes

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
Ooops, it gets rid of randomness *provided the same hardware is used* but it should work if one changes slots etc. On 28/09/2015, Edward Bartolo wrote: > If I were to write this implementation I would do it this way: > i) do the above as described to obtain a list of devices > ii) sort the list a

Re: [DNG] (1) netman package? (2) reliablility of devuan testing?

2015-09-28 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 26/set/2015 20:54, "Hendrik Boom" ha scritto: > I looked for a netman package in aptitude; it doesn't seem to be around > in jessie yet. Should I look in ascii or ceres? Or aren't we at that > stage yet? Good question, but there are none right now AFAIK! > Is ascii generally as reliable as

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:00:46 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi All, > > My next coding will be to add support for network interfaces other > than wlan0 and eth0. Regarding this, I would like to have your ideas > about how should I go not to minimally disrupt the already existing C > code that is

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 28 Sep 2015 15:45:03 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: > ... and who wouldn't want his network interface to be named > "enp0s29u1u2"? After all, anybody unterstands the meaning of eth0 --- > how terribly boring! I don't like it either, but even anti-systemd distros are going for this Freedesk

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
Hi natacha,The first four sections look pretty standard. But if you haven't done a fairly accurate assessment of how the community actually getswork done, it's highly unlikely that what is written about governance will reflect reality.  Insteadit will confuse and frustrate newcomers, who will be

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
Quote: "Some way to display the IP address when connected, either on-demand or along with the word, Connected, or some other way." --- Which ip address? If a pc is connected to a wifi the address is something like 192.168.1.102. Are you talking about the ip addr

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread natacha
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, On 09/28/2015 08:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > Hi natacha,The first four sections look pretty standard. Yes, it is standard and very minimal, by curiosity, which txt are you talking about? > But if you haven't done a fairly accurate assessment

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-28 Thread Rob Owens
- Original Message - > From: "Rainer Weikusat" > Laurent Bercot writes: >> I'm talking normal use cases here, i.e. situations where the services >> *will* succeed. In those situations, it is better to start everything >> according to the dependency graph, because then you do *not* trigg

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread fsmithred
I'm talking about the LAN address. A lot of times, one of the first things I do after booting into a new system is use sftp to move files. Also, with wicd, I've gotten used to seeing the local address, and I feel like it's a more reliable indicator that I'm online than just the word, Connected. Bu

Re: [DNG] live-build

2015-09-28 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi Aitor. I ran the following and got this error. E: Release signed by unknown key (key id CBF8D6FD518E17E1) Ozi lb clean --purge lb init lb config -a amd64 \ --binary-images iso \ --distribution jessie \ --win32-loader false \ --checksums md5 \ --archive-areas "m

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread Edward Bartolo
So, you are talking about the address displayed by "ip addr"? Please, forgive me to ask again, but I have to be certain to avoid writing code in vain. On 28/09/2015, fsmithred wrote: > I'm talking about the LAN address. A lot of times, one of the first things > I do after booting into a new syste

Re: [DNG] [announce] s6-rc, a s6-based service manager for Unix systems

2015-09-28 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 28/09/2015 22:05, Rob Owens wrote: Here is a real-world scenario that has caused me trouble over the years. I have a system that connects wirelessly to my local network. The system uses wicd to manage the network connections, and wicd starts at boot. This system is supposed to mount several N

Re: [DNG] netman: support for wlan1, wlan2, ... and eth1, eth2, .... and new systemd's naming scheme

2015-09-28 Thread arnt
No awk necessary; the same system calls that /sbin/ip uses are available for Netman. And strace even reveals their names and the appropriate arguments. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: [DNG] What can I do after netman?

2015-09-28 Thread fsmithred
Yes, the address displayed by "ip addr". I'm getting the 192.168.x.x number with that command, and that's the one I need. Sorry I wasn't clear. fsr On 09/28/2015 04:26 PM, Edward Bartolo wrote: > So, you are talking about the address displayed by "ip addr"? Please, > forgive me to ask again, but

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 09:39:08PM +0200, natacha wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > > On 09/28/2015 08:10 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > Hi natacha,The first four sections look pretty standard. > Yes, it is standard and very minimal, by curiosity, which txt are

Re: [DNG] Devuan Constitu..?

2015-09-28 Thread natacha
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > > Perhaps what we need is a document that describes how devuan does > operate rather than one that says how it ought to operate. A > descriptive, rathr than a prescriptive document. Yes, this could be the way to the roadmap that was suggested by

Re: [DNG] live-build

2015-09-28 Thread aitor_czr
You must change default mirrors: lb config -a amd64 \ --binary-images iso \ --distribution jessie \ --win32-loader false \ --checksums md5 \ --archive-areas "main" \ --apt-recommends false \ --apt aptitude \ --apt-options --yes \ --build-with-chroot false \