[DNG] Graphical Network Manager without systemd & Co. dependencies

2015-08-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
I am starting a new thread as the other thread is about systemd shims. I will start using Lazarus for the GUI and then start the C++ backend which will run with root privileges thanks to sudo configured to only run the backend. For anyone's information, this is how it will be: Main Window: ESSID

[DNG] wpa-roam [was Re: Systemd Shims]

2015-08-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 16/08/2015 21:44, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:48:44 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: I would like to humbly add my little contribution to this thread. I am posting using Devuan 64 bit connected to a home WIFI without any network managers. I connect by using separate /etc/network

Re: [DNG] Wireless configuration tools

2015-08-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 17/08/2015 05:05, Isaac Dunham a écrit : On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 09:53:39PM +0200, shraptor wrote: Long story short: it's limited, somewhat odd in interface, and nearly undocumented. But if you've configured wpa_supplicant to start, or need to write an initial config file, it should be adequa

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 17/08/2015 07:10, Edward Bartolo a écrit : Forget about the CLI program or daemon. I can create a window with the following features. Then, we can decide about the backends. We can avoid having a full fledged sudo setup by ONLY allowing the few backends to work with it. This should help securi

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-17 Thread arnt
The classic way to to that is to specify an interface or route metric, which is a simple integer. As I recall, the interfaces file lets you specify that, and while the man page does not say whether a higher or lower number means preferable, on most systems lower means better so probably it is t

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-17 Thread Rainer Weikusat
James Powell writes: > While there are packages that can be invisible and unintrusive into > the system, there are some that cannot. > > The problem is responsibility. > > Who wants to remain responsible for boot scripts? Upstream or vendor? > > Who wants responsibility for providing interoperabil

Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer

2015-08-17 Thread Arthur Marsh
Adam Borowski wrote on 23/07/15 07:45: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:03:55PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: Yes, Debian has adopted systemd. As a quick fix, you can stick with Wheezy; or you can install Jessie and then install systemd-shim and sysvinit. After you install systemd-shim and sysvinit, Je

[DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Haines Brown
- Forwarded message from Arthur Marsh - Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:35:15 +0930 From: Arthur Marsh To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.7.0 Adam Borowski wrote on

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Simon Hobson
Haines Brown wrote: > Just a side note. I installed Sid on a x250 Thinkpad and then replaced > systemd with sysVinit. Things seem to be working just fine, although > admittedly I didn't install any desktop environment. Did you also try removing the rest of SystemD ?

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Haines Brown
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 04:22:26PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Haines Brown wrote: > > > Just a side note. I installed Sid on a x250 Thinkpad and then replaced > > systemd with sysVinit. Things seem to be working just fine, although > > admittedly I didn't install any desktop environment. > > D

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Simon Hobson
Haines Brown wrote: > No. I installed sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils, rebooted, and > then did: > > # apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd > > # echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: \ > -1' >> /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd So you still have

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread karl
Simon Hobson: > Haines Brown wrote: > > > No. I installed sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils, rebooted, and > > then did: > > > > # apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd > > > > # echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: \ > > -1' >> /etc/apt/preferen

[DNG] Devuan 64 install: no root filesystem?

2015-08-17 Thread hal
I've booted the Alpha2 iso but it doesn't seem to be able to find any partitions. From the partition menu ("LVM" "Guided" or "Manual") I select "Manual" but then get a dialog stating "No root file system defined". The installer seems to be jumping ahead from partitioning to installing without

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 04:50:57PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > So you still have parts of Systemd installed then. > dpkg -l '*systemd*' > > Try removing libsystemd0 and see what happens ! libsystemd0 is benign, it does nothing but provide an interface to the daemon, which you're not going to ins

Re: [DNG] Interesting comment from a kernel developer

2015-08-17 Thread Adam Borowski
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:35:15PM +0930, Arthur Marsh wrote: > >deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd main > >deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd-stretch main > > Are you able to build the *pulse* 6.0.5 packages please? Done. Untested (I use pure ALSA, despite having two sound cards

[DNG] Fw: [ale] folder properties

2015-08-17 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, DJ-Pfulio posted this sentence on the Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts. To me, DJ-Pfulio's sentence encapsulates and succinctly summarizes why I use a Linux like OS. And more to the point, I think it encapsulates and succinctly summarizes why we're working so hard to produce Devuan. SteveT

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

2015-08-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
The Lazarus backend interface unit is as follows but still unfinished: unit backend; {$mode objfpc}{$H+} interface uses Classes, SysUtils, stdctrls; procedure Backend_Save(essid, pw: string); procedure Backend_Save_Connect(essid, pw: string); function

[DNG] What's the diff between these isos?

2015-08-17 Thread Go Linux
I'm a bit confused - nothing new there. :) I want to give the alpha a test run on metal. Centurion_Dan posted links to the first two. edbarx listed the other two. I want to install from a cd (never tried from usb) and end up with a functional xfce DE (hopefully with suspend) with no headach

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:40:46AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > No. I installed sysvinit-core sysvinit sysvinit-utils, rebooted, and > then did: > ># apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd > ># echo -e '\n\nPackage: *systemd*\nPin: origin ""\nPin-Priority: \ >-1' >> /etc/a

Re: [DNG] Fw: [ale] folder properties

2015-08-17 Thread Jim Murphy
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > DJ-Pfulio posted this sentence on the Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts. To me, > DJ-Pfulio's sentence encapsulates and succinctly summarizes why I use a > Linux like OS. And more to the point, I think it encapsulates and > succinctly summar

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Riccardo Boninsegna
Il 18/ago/2015 12:53 AM, "Gregory Nowak" ha scritto: > As I described in another thread earlier, I tried doing an aptitude > search sysv on a fresh install of debian jessie, and got back no > results. Either I was doing something wrong, or it sounds like > sysvinit-core is back in sid, which is go

Re: [DNG] [arthur.ma...@internode.on.net: Re: Interesting comment from a kernel developer]

2015-08-17 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 01:30:59AM +0200, Riccardo Boninsegna wrote: > I've never seen sysvinit-core dropped from Jessie or Squatch (I can't > remember the name of Testing), but systemd (if not systemd-sysv) is > currently an offer you can't refuse for almost any "mass-market" GUI > software, and t