Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Le 16/08/2015 06:27, Steve Litt a écrit : On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:26:41 +1200 Daniel Reurich wrote: >On 16 August 2015 7:47:46 AM GMT+12:00, "T.J. Duchene" > wrote: > >All that I ever try to say that I think there should be room for > >both sorts to make Devuan a home. Yes, I think Devuan sh

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Le 16/08/2015 08:11, Laurent Bercot a écrit : On 16/08/2015 06:53, Steve Litt wrote: The toughest part is how to store the passwords in a way that isn't a security problem. Unfortunately, /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf doesn't have an include feature (which is strange, because hostapd supports a wp

Re: [DNG] Devuan and upstream

Go Linux wrote: > I once investigated helping a friend use some open source software on her > Mac. A program that was free (gratis) in the Linux community was available in > the Apple app store for $30! That really pissed me off and soured me even > more on Apple than before (if that was poss

[DNG] Issue 56 ??

I haven't received any email belonging to Dng Digest,Vol11,Issue 56... They jumped from 55 to 57. Any incidence? Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

[DNG] About shims and systemd in devuan

The devuan policy about systemd shims and systemd in devuan as been already exaustively discussed many times, and can i reassume it as follow: Devuan will not work to support systemd and will not work against it. We will not do any effort to support it, if someone want to work to package it in a

Re: [DNG] About shims and systemd in devuan

Thank you. If people want Devuan with systemd or anything close to it, use Debian aka CoreOS w/ dpkg. People came to Devuan to have choice, mainly a choice to avoid systemd at all costs. -Jim From: Nextime Sent: ‎8/‎16/‎2015 5:59 AM To

Re: [DNG] About shims and systemd in devuan

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 06:05:15AM -0700, James Powell wrote: > Thank you. > > If people want Devuan with systemd or anything close to it, use Debian aka > CoreOS w/ dpkg. > > People came to Devuan to have choice, mainly a choice to avoid systemd at all > costs. That's certainly the choice tha

Re: [DNG] [hai...@histomat.net: Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 12:04:32PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 07:43:04 -0400 > Haines Brown wrote: > > > > I purged and reinstalled xorg without luck. Installed were > > libglu1-mesa, x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-server-utils, xinit, > > xorg, xorg-docs-core. > > > > The

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to clear up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan was going to be a "better Debian" without the shove the Technical C

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

I would like to humbly add my little contribution to this thread. I am posting using Devuan 64 bit connected to a home WIFI without any network managers. I connect by using separate /etc/network/interfaces files. The one for my home wifi is in /etc/network/interfaces while the rest are saved under

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Hi, wondering what you all have been arguing about :) The systemd complex is vast and offers many attack vectors. Just do your thing. :) Kind regards, T. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/

Re: [DNG] Issue 56 ??

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:24:35 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > I haven't received any email belonging to Dng Digest,Vol11,Issue 56... > They jumped from 55 to 57. > Any incidence? > > Aitor. I personally don't reply to any email where the subject contains "Digest", because the more posts with such a sub

Re: [DNG] About shims and systemd in devuan

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 14:58:49 +0200 Nextime wrote: > The devuan policy about systemd shims and systemd in devuan as been > already exaustively discussed many times, and can i reassume it as > follow: > > Devuan will not work to support systemd and will not work against it. > We will not do any ef

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

T.J. Duchene wrote: > I am neither an advocate for systemd nor am I an advocate for > System 5. Both have issues and are basically different approaches to the > same > problem. If that were the case then there would be no arguments, and probably no Devuan. If *all* SystemD was was an init sy

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 18:48:44 +0100 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I would like to humbly add my little contribution to this thread. > > I am posting using Devuan 64 bit connected to a home WIFI without any > network managers. I connect by using separate /etc/network/interfaces > files. The one for my h

Re: [DNG] Wireless configuration tools (was: Re: Systemd Shims)

Long story short: it's limited, somewhat odd in interface, and nearly undocumented. But if you've configured wpa_supplicant to start, or need to write an initial config file, it should be adequate if you can follow the UI. I tried to make the UI as obvious as possible, but I'm the only user I'm

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:13:04PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > Well, I suppose the topic has been beat up enough, but I just wanted to clear > up something before moving on. I want you to understand why I came to the > Devuan list in the first place. I came here under the assumption that Devuan

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Alternatively, instead of running the ifup command with sudo, one can start the application/daemon itself using sudo. This makes it possible to use sudo while allowing only our application/daemon to run with root privileges. I also think, this application can be made into a daemon and started by a

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

While there are packages that can be invisible and unintrusive into the system, there are some that cannot. The problem is responsibility. Who wants to remain responsible for boot scripts? Upstream or vendor? Who wants responsibility for providing interoperability between projects? Upstream or

Re: [DNG] [hai...@histomat.net: Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment]

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 12:07:45PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > When I startx, I'm still in vesa (?) mode. The Xorg log file says it > is using configuration directory /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory. The > only error is: > > (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [COPY] failed to allocate class > > don't know w

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Hello James, On 08/17/2015 02:28 AM, James Powell wrote: While there are packages that can be invisible and unintrusive > into the system, there are some that cannot. The problem is responsibility. Who wants to remain responsible for boot scripts? Upstream or vendor? Who (developer, vendo

Re: [DNG] Wireless configuration tools (was: Re: Systemd Shims)

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 09:53:39PM +0200, shraptor wrote: > > >Long story short: it's limited, somewhat odd in interface, and nearly > >undocumented. > >But if you've configured wpa_supplicant to start, or need to write an > >initial config file, it should be adequate if you can follow the UI. > >

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

Forget about the CLI program or daemon. I can create a window with the following features. Then, we can decide about the backends. We can avoid having a full fledged sudo setup by ONLY allowing the few backends to work with it. This should help securitywise. Propose GUI: Main window with: a) list

Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims

The backends can be integrated into one single executable not to clutter the sudoers file and to increase system efficiency. I propose to place the other interface file in: /etc/network/interfaces/wifi I can start the implementation of the GUI (Lazarus Pascal) and the backend (C++), but I need yo