Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

2015-06-19 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: >The reason they're working on kdbus at all is because they have >discovered that it's costly to pipe a lot of data between dbus >endpoints reminds me of the time we had some momentum to have vloopback into Linux. or even before that, the times

Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

2015-06-19 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 06/19/2015 02:59 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: Clarke Sideroad writes: I hoping the Kernel Developers as a combined whole would see the bigger Linux picture well beyond the desktop. I can't see the Kernel being made to swallow something that would poison the whole multifaceted structure in the

Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

2015-06-19 Thread Jude Nelson
Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair, its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus isn't present in the kernel). Announcement: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/033170.html -Jude On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:0

Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

2015-06-19 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 06/19/2015 11:16 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: Whelp, looks like kdbus in systemd is no longer optional (but to be fair, its use can be disabled at runtime, and won't be used anyway if kdbus isn't present in the kernel). Announcement: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2015-June/

Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits

2015-06-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 09:29:36PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > I expect the dependency chain should be something like: > depends on: init, -sysv-init | -epoch-init > | -systemd-init | -openrc-init | > -upstart-init > > And if each of those -*-init packages depended on their > respective in

Re: [DNG] We Must be Prepared ....

2015-06-19 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
It does not make the kernel systems, but its presence might make some poorly written program think systems is present. But poor code assumes things all the time, so really it will not make a difference. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org htt

[DNG] the kernel for Android

2015-06-19 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:06:56AM -0400, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 06/19/2015 02:59 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > >Clarke Sideroad writes: > >>I hoping the Kernel Developers as a combined whole would see the > >>bigger Linux picture well beyond the desktop. > >>I can't see the Kernel being made

Re: [DNG] Packages aren't the only path to alternate inits

2015-06-19 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 18/06/2015 17:23, Laurent Bercot a écrit : Bow, since its possible to have seeral init systems installedd, and even to have different subsytems started by different init systems (not all running as PID 1, of course), perhaps the mutual exclusion among the init systems is a bad idea. Absol