Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 23/05/2015 05:18, James Powell wrote: > True, but developers are banding together to resist this as well, and fork > projects as needed. But what happens when one has to fork everything from Firefox to Enkive to Hadoop to Tryton? I've forgotten what I installed, but it was SystemD only, and

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

I know a few projects do, but they are at least isolated. What did the developer say afterwards? Sent from my Windows Phone From: toki Sent: ‎5/‎23/‎2015 12:30 AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] S

[Dng] Gnome-creep into Jessie

Thought some of you might find this interesting. A sign of things to come? Or maybe I've totally missed the point (I'm still far from 'back-to-the-living'): Jessie, unwanted Gnome, xdg autostart, Console Kit http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=122178&sid=bd86a0bffd3a77e9f90dc9c52e59a0

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On Sat, 23 May 2015 07:29:56 + toki wrote: > > > On 23/05/2015 05:18, James Powell wrote: > > True, but developers are banding together to resist this as well, > > and fork projects as needed. > > But what happens when one has to fork everything from Firefox to > Enkive to Hadoop to Tryton

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

Very well said Steve. Xfce fortunately is trying to stay agnostic to software as much as it can, after all they are sponsoring ConsoleKit2. It's a shame Devuan can't make a bold statement against the kernel itself to not want to buy into Greg Kroah-Hartman's systemdified kdbus future, and try to

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:59 PM, James Powell wrote: > It's a shame Devuan can't make a bold statement against the kernel itself to > not want to buy into Greg Kroah-Hartman's systemdified kdbus future, and try > to force the kernel to be forked as well. Let's hope Mr Torvalds has the balls to do

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 05/23/2015 05:54 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: There's a UNIX ecosystem? The Linux ecosystem may become strictly commercial and be used to hunt baby seals, but the BSD and Solaris ecosystems are still systemd-free, are they not? That is one of the arguments against systemd and its seepage (a mo

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

OpenRC supports a lot of platforms. Technically, OpenRC solves the problem of sysvinit in every way. Centralized scripts, tree based dependencies, service supervision on some level, and parallel start up of multiple service trees. Nothing systemd offers other than mediocre code, bad designs, an

[Dng] The more things change, the more they remain the same

Hi all, Updating a hoard of Troubleshooters.Com links, I came across an article I wrote in 2008, back when systemd was a twinkle in Harry Poettering's father's eye. And yet, the human and technology issues discussed in this article are eerily like today's systemd situation. It's called "The Poli

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 05/23/15 11:54 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: BSD and Solaris ecosystems are still systemd-free, And always will be. SMF is absolutely perfect service manager in comparison with systemd. --- root@hipster-oi:~# ptree -a 4 kcfpoold 6 zpool-rpool 1 /sbin/init 10/lib/svc/bin/sv

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

SMF is more akin to uselessd, s6, and runit. It's an init system only. I think even launchd is only an init system as well. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Dragan FOSS Sent: ‎5/‎23/‎2015 3:42 PM To: Nuno Magalhães

Re: [Dng] The more things change, the more they remain the same

Mediocre developers who are arrogant end up in the unemployment lines... Beautiful phrase. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Steve Litt Sent: ‎5/‎23/‎2015 3:17 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [Dng] The

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 05/24/15 01:44 AM, James Powell wrote: SMF is more akin to uselessd, s6, and runit. It's an init system only. http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/articles/servers-storage-admin/intro-smf-basics-s11-1729181.html ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

SMF is a very advanced init and service management and supervision system, but it does things correctly and doesn't come bloated with a horde of so-called "building blocks". SMF still relies of various other daemons to work... Hint hint. Sent from my Windows Phone __

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On 05/24/15 02:01 AM, James Powell wrote: SMF still relies of various other daemons to work No, real case is exactly opposite...all other daemons relies of SMF. After initialisation, kernel creates PID 0 (sched), and after that, starts PID 1 (init). The init process reads the /etc/inittab and

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 06:09:11PM -0400, Jaret Cantu wrote: > On 05/23/2015 05:54 PM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > >There's a UNIX ecosystem? The Linux ecosystem may become strictly > >commercial and be used to hunt baby seals, but the BSD and Solaris > >ecosystems are still systemd-free, are they not?

Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

Remember Lennart's remarks about BSD? "BSD isn't relevant anymore. It's a toy OS." Sent from my Windows Phone From: Hendrik Boom Sent: ‎5/‎23/‎2015 7:02 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Slackwar

Re: [Dng] Gnome-creep into Jessie

Le 23/05/2015 19:08, Go Linux a écrit : Thought some of you might find this interesting. A sign of things to come? Or maybe I've totally missed the point (I'm still far from 'back-to-the-living'): Jessie, unwanted Gnome, xdg autostart, Console Kit http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&