dear Roy,
On 13 May 2015 18:33:44 CEST, Roy Nielsen wrote:
>We released a (beta) security tool to give non-windows operating
>systems a
>base level of security based on government guideline and industry best
>practices.
>
>https://github.com/CSD-Public/stonix
>
>The documentation is a bit sketch
Hi James,
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:58 PM, James Powell
wrote:
> I agree T. J.
>
> The problem is too much "thinking" about problems, rather than offering a
> clear solution other than scrapping the fore and replacing it entirely
> seems to be the source of the problem.
>
> One argument I stan
dear Daniel,
On 12 May 2015 22:58:24 CEST, Daniel Reurich wrote:
>Hi
>
>I wonder if Devuan should rebrand it's relationship to Debian as a
>Derivative rather then a Fork. It may help to smooth things over a
>bit.
>
>This may also be a good marketing approach as well as reduce the
>hostility wh
Hi James,
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:04 AM, James Powell
wrote:
> Thanks Jude.
>
> The Slackware package is delayed, but only due to the lack of a Slackware
> style script. I might try to ask one of the Slackware team for assistance
> when I resume work. However, the package is fairly much compl
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 06:33:34PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> Has something happened with standard udev that you are looking to switch?
> I've not heard anything lately, but that does not make immediate sense to me.
>
I'm not the one you're asking, but I'll provide one reason to switch:
ude
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 03:33:06AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> I'm not a Slackware or Arch user, but please let me know if there's
> anything I can do to make packaging easier? I don't want to make things
> needlessly difficult :)
I've dropped an issue on github about the new Makefiles, yeah :)
Doing work now because it "is sure to be needed at some point" is one
of the major problems fixed by XP and agile development. Google for
YAGNI. So why is it a good idea in this case?
Arnt
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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:20:00PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Doing work now because it "is sure to be needed at some point" is
> one of the major problems fixed by XP and agile development. Google
> for YAGNI. So why is it a good idea in this case?
Isn't our situation more a case of removi
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:20:00PM +, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
> Doing work now because it "is sure to be needed at some point" is
> one of the major problems fixed by XP and agile development. Google
> for YAGNI. So why is it a good idea in this case?
I have not heard good arguments against pl
On 14/05/15 13:49, Jack L. Frost wrote:
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 06:33:34PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Has something happened with standard udev that you are looking to switch? I've
not heard anything lately, but that does not make immediate sense to me.
I'm not the one you're asking, but I'
I would be interested in a static Vdev.
Didier could you please give some info
how this was done especially any gotcha's
you found?
On Thursday, May 14, 2015, Jack L. Frost wrote:
> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 03:33:06AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > I'm not a Slackware or Arch user, but please le
On Thu, 14 May 2015 15:40:59 +0200
shraptor shraptor wrote:
> I would be interested in a static Vdev.
So would I. I could just slide that right onto my Valentine VM, without
compilation and dependencies. Once I get familiar with vdev itself, I
could install one with loadable modules.
SteveT
On Wed, 13 May 2015 23:24:42 -0400
Jude Nelson wrote:
> Hey everyone,
>
> I have the latest news for vdev:
>
> * vdev now creates symlinks for:
> -- /dev/v4l/by-path
> -- /dev/disk/by-partuuid
> -- /dev/disk/by-partlabel
Thank you Jude. It's astounding what you've been able to accomplish.
>
>
> I think that has already happened for quite some time. The latest udev
> package outside systemd source in Debian is 175-7.2 according to
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/udev. In Debian jessie it is provided by
> systemd package as shown on https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/systemd. I am
> still
On 14/05/15 17:53, T.J. Duchene wrote:
I think that has already happened for quite some time. The latest udev
package outside systemd source in Debian is 175-7.2 according to
https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/udev. In Debian jessie it is provided by
systemd package as shown on https://tracker.debi
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 03:25:46AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
I'm really sorry for having sent the same message four times. However,
it's my (urgh, "kind") provider who kept me from both receiving the
messages of that thread and kept the old cached:
( with the same topic as the subject of this ema
Le 14/05/2015 15:40, shraptor shraptor a écrit :
I would be interested in a static Vdev.
Didier could you please give some info
how this was done especially any gotcha's
you found?
Hi Shraptor.
I have been working for almost one year, partial time, on building
a sysrooted gcc-4.7 b
> I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
> technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the maintainer
> of udev outside systemd source tree in Devuan.
[T.J. ] Please understand that I very much respect your position, and I agree
with you that
You both made good points. I've been around a while, so I'll just speak my
mind. If that bothers anyone, please "plug your ears."
I've used Unix before Linux existed, and after. I've seen ideas come and
go. Systemd is absolutely nothing new, nor is the community reaction to it
even surprising.
Following up to what T.J. said...
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 1:15 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote:
>
> > I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
> > technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the
> maintainer
> > of udev outside systemd source tree in De
Well said, T.J. I couldn't find anything to disagree with in your
missive. I will also add that now a technical disagreement seems to
have morphed into somehow opposing the pet cause of various social
justice warriors that now seem to be everywhere. One such recent
example is from Debian Develop
I thought it was already settled and decided by the VUA that Devuan Jessie
will use udev. I agree with this stance, for the same reason as T.J. points
out--udev is production-ready, whereas vdev is not. It's the pragmatic
thing to do--I only have a handful of hours per week to work on vdev, so
Hi Steve,
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Steve Litt
wrote:
> On Wed, 13 May 2015 23:24:42 -0400
> Jude Nelson wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I have the latest news for vdev:
> >
> > * vdev now creates symlinks for:
> > -- /dev/v4l/by-path
> > -- /dev/disk/by-partuuid
> > -- /dev/disk/by-
On 14/05/15 19:15, T.J. Duchene wrote:
I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the maintainer
of udev outside systemd source tree in Devuan.
[T.J. ] Please understand that I very much respect your
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:53:20AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> >
> > I think that has already happened for quite some time. The latest udev
> > package outside systemd source in Debian is 175-7.2 according to
> > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/udev. In Debian jessie it is provided by
> > systemd
On 14/05/15 19:42, Jude Nelson wrote:
I thought it was already settled and decided by the VUA that Devuan
Jessie will use udev. I agree with this stance, for the same reason
as T.J. points out--udev is production-ready, whereas vdev is not.
It's the pragmatic thing to do--I only have a ha
On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 12:15 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
> > technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the
> > maintainer
> > of udev outside systemd source tree in Devuan.
>
> The shortest and most
> Hello T.J.,
>
> I didn't mean to express anything related to "put up or shut up".
Actually, I am someone who would pat you on the back if you did. Talk is
cheap, and quite frankly, I when dealing with Linux fans I often hear a lot of
talk and see very little. I feel you handled it with
>
> People are working _now_ on eudev as a replacement for udev until vdev is
> finished. It might even be a good replacement for udev already for the
> devuan jessie release.
[T.J. ] That's very interesting and information I did not know. You have to
admit that actual development details re
On 14/05/15 22:16, T.J. Duchene wrote:
Devuan needs more than programmers. There are documentation writers,
graphic designers, public relations, even just fans. I know coders get
a lot of the spotlight, but without others Devuan isn't going to go
anywhere either.
It would be great if I cou
On Thursday, May 14, 2015, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Le 14/05/2015 15:40, shraptor shraptor a écrit :
>
>> I would be interested in a static Vdev.
>>
>> Didier could you please give some info
>> how this was done especially any gotcha's
>> you found?
>>
>
> Hi Shraptor.
>
> I have been work
On Thu, 14 May 2015 22:15:50 +0200
Svante Signell wrote:
> People are working _now_ on eudev as a replacement for udev until vdev
> is finished. It might even be a good replacement for udev already for
> the devuan jessie release. What do you do, except chat?
The best thing to do with those who
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:15:50PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-05-14 at 12:15 -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> > > I think the fact that I pointed out clearly shows that there is very good
> > > technical reason to exclude udev, unless you are willing to be the
> > > maintainer
> > > o
Hi all,
I just finished a very basic document on using Qemu for Linux DIY,
which I tech-edited using Valentines Devuan:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/diy/qemu.htm
It's based on three shellscripts, and also contains instructions for
sharing host and guest /tmp/xfer directory via sshfs. As
On 14/05/2015 23:16, shraptor shraptor wrote:
I even could try myself, did openssl static with musl a while ago but am not a
100%
with what toolchain means.
I compile everything statically with musl. OpenSSL is doable; the
annoying thing IIRC is the Perl dependency at build-time, and of
cours
On 05/14/2015 08:18 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>
> sharing host and guest /tmp/xfer directory via sshfs.
>
*** I use the Plan9 way for sharing folders (per someone's suggestion on
the list):
https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu#sharing-a-folder-with-the-host
==
hk
-
There's no issues, but due to the variable in the way Slackware packages
things, I have to create directories in the temp install, then use cp to
installing things which ends up being messy.
Not to complain, but the lack of a traditional configure file to set the
install paths does make things
Le 14/05/2015 23:16, shraptor shraptor a écrit :
am not a 100%
with what toolchain means.
did you compile for 32bit or 64bit?
Toolchain generally means the stuff necessary to build new programs
from source. It includes gcc, binutils, the system libraries, the system
headers and the kern
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