Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Martijn Dekkers
we could perhaps tie the dev list in with notifications from jenkins, gitlab etc to give a good general overview of whats moving On 7 April 2015 at 09:45, Franco Lanza wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 09:25:47AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I know this has come up a few times in

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread shraptor shraptor
Scooby, John Carline, lepoitr, and others (who wish to remain anonymous) > have been sending me logs filesystem listings from running vdev locally. I > very much appreciate it--it helped me discover and fix bugs relating to > persistent paths for disk devices, seeding /dev with initial device file

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Jaromil
On Tue, 07 Apr 2015, Martijn Dekkers wrote: >we could perhaps tie the dev list in with notifications from jenkins, >gitlab etc to give a good general overview of whats moving ok, but please keep patient a little while more because the preparations of the alpha release are in the way, once

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Martijn Dekkers
awesome, many thanks! On 7 April 2015 at 14:11, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 07 Apr 2015, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > >we could perhaps tie the dev list in with notifications from jenkins, > >gitlab etc to give a good general overview of whats moving > > ok, but please keep patient a little w

Re: [Dng] Contact

2015-04-07 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 04/06/2015 05:04 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: Anyone wants to contact me is certainly welcome to do so off of the Devuan list, on any subject they please. I’m not trying to be dramatic, but I believe that it is in Devuan’s best interest that I leave. By removing myself from the list, legitima

Re: [Dng] Contact

2015-04-07 Thread Luke Diamand
+1 On 7 April 2015 at 12:39, Clarke Sideroad wrote: > On 04/06/2015 05:04 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > Anyone wants to contact me is certainly welcome to do so off of the Devuan > list, on any subject they please. > > I’m not trying to be dramatic, but I believe that it is in Devuan’s best > inter

Re: [Dng] Contact

2015-04-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 10:36:56PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 12:16:38AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > > Hey TJ, I'm very sorry to see you go. Yours is an experienced and balanced > > voice that this young community needs more of. > > I don't see why anybody should leave thi

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Scooby, [Snip] > > >> However, this has proven to be a somewhat challenging problem, for a >> couple reasons. First, inotify(2) does not work on pseudo-filesystems like >> sysfs or devtmpfs, so we can't just watch /sys for changes, and we can't >> use devtmpfs for /dev. This means that syste

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Tue 07 April 2015 14:04:36 Jude Nelson wrote: > Over in systemd-land, I'm pretty sure the plan going forward is to replace > netlink with kdbus to do the same task. me starts throwing up a little :-o But yes, sounds plausible /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message pa

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > I know this has come up a few times in the past, but I would really like to > see a dev specific list, with some strict "dev-only" rules. I disagree, this will mean the devs will self-segregate and tend to ignore users. Having "both camps"

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Go Linux
On Tue, 4/7/15, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list To: "dng" Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 2:19 PM On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > I know this has come up a few times in the past, but I would really like to > see a dev specific list, with some strict

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 02:04:36PM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote: > Hi Scooby, > > >> My tentative solution is to require the device manager (whatever it > >> happens to be) to take one extra step in addition to adding/removing device > >> files: record driver core uevents in a well-defined location in

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Apr 07, 2015 at 01:09:55PM -0700, Go Linux wrote: > On Tue, 4/7/15, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list > To: "dng" > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 2:19 PM > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Martijn Dekkers > wrote: > > I know this has come up a few times in the

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:09:55 -0700 Go Linux wrote: > On Tue, 4/7/15, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list > To: "dng" > Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 2:19 PM > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 7:25 AM, Martijn Dekkers > wrote: > > I know this has come up a few times in the past,

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status update

2015-04-07 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Isaac, [snip] > > > > libsysdev is meant to help clients pull information from sysfs. I don't > > think it is supposed to help clients run privileged ioctls (Isaac, please > > correct me if I'm wrong!). > > Not at present. > It basically maps a device to a sysfs directory and possibly gets a

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Jürgen Buchmüller
Am Dienstag, den 07.04.2015, 20:19 +0100 schrieb Nuno Magalhães: > I disagree, this will mean the devs will self-segregate and tend to > ignore users. > Having "both camps" in the same list evens each other out. I'd love to see ancient, unwritten, yet useful rules being adhered to on this list the

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Wed 08 April 2015 01:45:20 Jürgen Buchmüller wrote: > I'd love to see ancient, unwritten, yet useful rules being adhered to on > Quote relevant parts of the original message. Cut out irrelevant stuff. +: Use proper > quotes; no TOFU and no HTML, ever ta! /j signature.asc Description: This is

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Robert Storey
> Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of > the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to wade > through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev list, I would sign up > to see what's happening but it's unlikely I would participat

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Jude Nelson
> suggest that Pottering is evil, > Definitely looking forward to this stopping. Seriously, it's not Lennart's fault that Debian decided to switch to systemd. If you want to blame anyone for this, blame the CTTE, the DDs who voted against init freedom in the GR, and the systemd fanbois who poiso

[Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

2015-04-07 Thread JeremyBekka C
Hello, I hope this is the right place to post this question, but I am looking for some advice on how to gain the necessary technical skills to help with future development of Devuan. I am relatively new to Linux (2 years) and to computing in general. Prior to starting in Linux, I had just a ru

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Martijn Dekkers
All good points. However, having a -dev list really does have some significant benefits. - Firstly, as already mentioned, it allows for the chatter to be separated from the work. - Secondly, it allows for aggregating commit and update messages from gitlab, jenkins, the infrastructure at large etc.

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-07 Thread Apollia
On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Robert Storey wrote: > >> Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of >> the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to >> wade >> through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) Sorry if I added to anyone's annoyance!

Re: [Dng] Would like to help with Devuan

2015-04-07 Thread Robert Storey
>From: JeremyBekka C > > I hope this is the right place to post this question, but I am looking for > some advice on how to gain the necessary technical skills to help with > future development of Devuan. Hello Jeremy. Yes, this is as good a place as any to post your question. A good place to le