Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-26 Thread Jaromil
On 26 February 2015 01:21:07 CET, Neo Futur wrote: >>> That leaves the 2% benefit of cgroups, whose benefit boils down to, >and anyway openrc supports cgroups ;) >( my 2 cents : and should be used in future versions of devuan ;) I agree with this and hope OpenRC keeps supporting Linux without i

Re: [Dng] idea for discussion: why 1 dbus [long e-mail]

2015-02-26 Thread Steve Litt of Troubleshooters.Com
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:02:42 +0100 Godefridus Daalmans wrote: > Well, I have an idea for a discussion about "re-architecting" Linux, > however it is very likely that this is just my lack of understanding > speaking: > > I am aware that task #1 is providing Devuan Jessie (without systemd), > a

[Dng] Logind alternative (spoiler: Consolekit fork)

2015-02-26 Thread Oz Nahum Tiram
Hi Everyone, I was getting desparate thinking there will be no alternative to systemd's logind. I also saw the consolekit was depreciated for quite a while. Alas! I was happy to find this just now: https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2 I would be happy to see this packaged for devuan. Che

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-26 Thread Anthony Scemama
On 02/24/2015 09:54 PM, Vernon Geiszler wrote: > >> > I think this question goes together with the badge or logo > question. It > >>> must go beyond "sans-systemd"; > > >> it is more about principles. Let's list some: > > >> > >> > - freedom of choice, > >> > - interchangealility of solution

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
Of course. Should I make that link public on this list? Thanks. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Go Linux wrote: > On Wed, 2/25/15, Linuxito wrote: > > > Subject: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey > > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > > Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 10:10 AM > > > > Hi people, > > > > As

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
Hi Anto, I like the same logo too. If you check out the logo submissions page on Without Systemd Wiki ( http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo), you'll see that there is no corresponding "logo with text" (as I called it) version. Maybe we can ask the author to create a text versi

Re: [Dng] Combatting revisionist history

2015-02-26 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 25/02/2015 22:11, Go Linux a écrit : This excellent analysis of the systemd debacle was just posted over on FDN. Should be required reading IMO. Enjoy! http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652&p=570371 golinux ___ Dng mailing list D

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Linuxito wrote: >Of course. Should I make that link public on this list? perhaps not, just mail the pass to golinux waters are calmer, but trolls and vandalism is still behind the corner, we cannot be too lax on our infrastructure. by the time the systemd hooligans will

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
Thanks Jaromil, We outpassed the 100 responses limit in the survey (122 actually) and sadly surveymonkey will only show you that 100 (unless you pay). I'm going to send the link to golinux. Have a great day. Emiliano. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Lin

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Linuxito wrote: >Thanks Jaromil, > >We outpassed the 100 responses limit in the survey (122 actually) >and sadly surveymonkey will only show you that 100 (unless you >pay). we do have funds to pay that in case the design workgroup deems it as a useful way to

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Martijn Dekkers
If this is something we are going to be doing more often, I can deploy https://opinahq.com/ or https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (or whatever else people prefer) On 26 February 2015 at 13:54, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Linuxito wrote: > > >Thanks Jaromil, > > > >We outpassed the

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
I tried limesurvey once, works great. That would be great. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Martijn Dekkers < devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk> wrote: > If this is something we are going to be doing more often, I can deploy > https://opinahq.com/ or https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (or whatever else > p

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 5, Issue 11

2015-02-26 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Anthony Scemama wrote: > I found this image on the web: > > http://tux.crystalxp.net/png/kros753-kiss-the-demon-2286.png > > It's a good mix between KISS and Linux! > If you like it, I can ask the guys from CrystalXP.net if it can be used for > Devuan. I don't wan

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Martijn Dekkers wrote: > If this is something we are going to be doing more often, I can deploy > https://opinahq.com/ or https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (or whatever else > people prefer) If there's a way to make sure each user only votes once, it would be intere

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Martijn Dekkers
who are "the general population"? On 26 February 2015 at 14:59, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Martijn Dekkers > wrote: > > If this is something we are going to be doing more often, I can deploy > > https://opinahq.com/ or https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (or whatever e

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
The survey was configured to allow only one vote for IP address. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Martijn Dekkers > wrote: > > If this is something we are going to be doing more often, I can deploy > > https://opinahq.com/ or https://www

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Anto
On 26/02/15 14:15, Martijn Dekkers wrote: who are "the general population"? I guess that would be the people who are really desperate to have Debian without systemd and its related components, like me :D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org htt

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread hellekin
On 02/26/15 10:24, Linuxito wrote: > The survey was configured to allow only one vote for IP address. > *** Which allows me, a Tor user, to reload the page and vote again. When will people realize that IP address != person? What about people sharing a proxy? "Sorry, you already voted!" "N!"

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Anto
On 26/02/15 15:50, hellekin wrote: The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the impatience is growing. What I'd like to see instead is a focus on a real issue we have, which is shipping desktop background designs. This is not a unique item, so people can have the distro shipped with the backgr

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
Well, that's the only possibility that tool has to offer for free. I know its limitations. I just wanted to help someway. Sorry for the inconvenience. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:50 AM, hellekin wrote: > On 02/26/15 10:24, Linuxito wrote: > > The survey was configured to allow only one vote for I

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, hellekin wrote: > On 02/26/15 10:24, Linuxito wrote: > > The survey was configured to allow only one vote for IP address. > > > *** Which allows me, a Tor user, to reload the page and vote again. > When will people realize that IP address != person? What about people > shari

[Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 04:05:40PM +0100, Anto wrote: > On 26/02/15 15:50, hellekin wrote: > >The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the impatience is growing. > >What I'd like to see instead is a focus on a real issue we have, which > >is shipping desktop background designs. This is not a uni

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread etech3
+1 hendrik May I suggest some timeline milestones here (which I know is around to the Devs). I for one would look forword to a working base install with no DE. That could be a alpha 0.XX milestone. Just saying ... As golinux says, may the fork be with you On 02/26/2015 12:04 PM, Hendrik Boo

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:19:05PM -0500, etech3 wrote: > +1 hendrik > > May I suggest some timeline milestones here (which I know is around > to the Devs). I for one would look forword to a working base install > with no DE. That could be a alpha 0.XX milestone. Do you meen no X? no window mana

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:43:50PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:19:05PM -0500, etech3 wrote: > > +1 hendrik > > > > May I suggest some timeline milestones here (which I know is around > > to the Devs). I for one would look forword to a working base install > > with no DE

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, etech3 wrote: > +1 hendrik yes, we will not cover up boot with framebuffer stuff for sure. so to say Devuan is sugar-free and doesn't makes your computer fat :^) > May I suggest some timeline milestones here (which I know is around > to the Devs). I for one would look forw

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Anto
On 26/02/15 18:04, Hendrik Boom wrote: And don't want Devuan deelopers to waste time on them if it means delaying our release. After a usable release, we'll have time for such matters. -- hendrik Hello Hendrik, I agree with what you mentioned as the highest priority is to get the first vers

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:22:15PM +0100, Anto wrote: > On 26/02/15 18:04, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >And don't want Devuan deelopers to waste time on them if it means > >delaying our release. After a usable release, we'll have time for > >such matters. > > > >-- hendrik > > Hello Hendrik, > > I agr

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Linuxito
I agree with you. We need identity, and more important, we need a brand. Although I know nothing about marketing, I think a logo it's the most important component of a brand. It will help us make our distribution known by others, it will bring contributions, donations, etc. So I believe choosing

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 04:03:42PM -0300, Linuxito wrote: > I agree with you. We need identity, and more important, we need a brand. > > Although I know nothing about marketing, I think a logo it's the most > important component of a brand. It will help us make our distribution known > by others,

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 07:13:38PM +, KatolaZ wrote: [cut] > > > Well, I agree about the necessity of having a logo, but there is no > point into having a great brand without anything concrete behind it, > IMHO. I believe that the most important thing at the moment is to have > a working De

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Go Linux
On Thu, 2/26/15, Linuxito wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds To: "Anto" Cc: "dng" Date: Thursday, February 26, 2015, 1:03 PM > I agree with you. We need identity, and more important, we need a brand. > > Although I know nothing about marketing, I think a logo it's the most > i

Re: [Dng] A New Video and Text I came across.

2015-02-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:48:12 -0500 Clarke Sideroad wrote: > Not mine. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYpnbbONrKw > > Clarke Oh my gosh, that guy (he calls himself Fireicer Cooper) really is in love with himself. I thought it was just a summer thing. Just gotta be amazed when this guy sugges

Re: [Dng] Logind alternative (spoiler: Consolekit fork)

2015-02-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Tue, 2015-02-24 at 22:40 +0100, Oz Nahum Tiram wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > > > I was getting desparate thinking there will be no alternative to > systemd's logind. > > I also saw the consolekit was depreciated for quite a while. Alas! I > was happy to > > find this just now: > > https://gi

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Noel Torres
On Thursday, 26 de February de 2015 17:54:01 Jaromil escribió: > On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, etech3 wrote: > > +1 hendrik > > yes, we will not cover up boot with framebuffer stuff for sure. > > so to say > > Devuan is sugar-free and doesn't makes your computer fat :^) I want the freedom to take my Dev

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 26/02/2015 18:04, Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 04:05:40PM +0100, Anto wrote: On 26/02/15 15:50, hellekin wrote: The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the impatience is growing. What I'd like to see instead is a focus on a real issue we have, which is shipping desktop

Re: [Dng] A New Video and Text I came across.

2015-02-26 Thread Clarke Sideroad
On 02/26/15 14:36, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 22:48:12 -0500 Clarke Sideroad wrote: Not mine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYpnbbONrKw Clarke Oh my gosh, that guy (he calls himself Fireicer Cooper) really is in love with himself. I thought it was just a summer thing. Just gott

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Nuno Magalhães
> On 02/26/15 10:24, Linuxito wrote: >> The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the impatience is growing. I disagree. IMHO the logo threads show a lot of users like to chip in with their opinions. No harm there, and no impatience either. I believe rushed things tend to hit fans. Therefore, i'd

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Go Linux wrote: > The best solution would probably be to use a text identity until the graphics > get sorted after the alpha is released. There's a certain project called hasciicam which can be used to create very nifty text logos... > For the record . . . I sub

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Gravis
> http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/penguins/trio.png ha! it just needs words like "Linux: Strut your stuff" [?] --Gravis On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Go Linux wrote: > On Thu, 2/26/15, Linuxito wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds > To: "Anto" > Cc: "dng" > Date: Thursday,

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Joel Roth
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 06:02:16PM -0500, Gravis wrote: > > http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/penguins/trio.png > > ha! it just needs words like "Linux: Strut your stuff" [?] I thought of photoshopping in a jail out of which they are walking. > --Gravis -- Joel Roth

Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds

2015-02-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:09:50PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > Le 26/02/2015 18:04, Hendrik Boom a écrit : > >On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 04:05:40PM +0100, Anto wrote: > >>On 26/02/15 15:50, hellekin wrote: > >>>The logo threads are multiplying: it shows the impatience is growing. > >>>What I'd like

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:22:28PM +, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Jaromil wrote: > > Is likely not going to be the most interesting thing in Devuan, but > > anyway I wish we tag this process soon with some black and white > > minimalist design to be used, > > Prio

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Jaromil
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Prior to recent (at least in Debian) releases, Xorg came with the > > classic checkered monochrome pattern, i'm cool with that :) > > No. The checkered monochrome background flickered horribly on some > monitors. Bad default. AFAIK it was there exac

Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey

2015-02-26 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 10:22:28PM +, Nuno Magalh??es wrote: > Prior to recent (at least in Debian) releases, Xorg came with the > classic checkered monochrome pattern, i'm cool with that :) > (Now it comes with a black background which is really moronic 'cos it > leaves me wondering "Did --con