Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 12/02/2015 17:58, Jude Nelson a écrit : >But, for a desktop, udev, eudev, or vdev is mandatory. Is it? A lot of applications need libudev, but if I can get libudev-compat to generate the requisite information from sysfs and a static dev, I'll spring for that instead of having it depend o

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread karl
Didier: > Le 12/02/2015 17:58, Jude Nelson a écrit : > > >But, for a desktop, udev, eudev, or vdev is mandatory. > > > > Is it? A lot of applications need libudev, but if I can get > > libudev-compat to generate the requisite information from sysfs and a > > static dev, I'll spring for that inst

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 13/02/2015 15:28, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : BTW, there is more than one way to set up (for the local admin) meaningful /dev-names. And if you don't want to bother with any /dev nane, you can (manually) check with "sg_mag -x -i" to see which device is which. Regards, /Karl Hammar Dea

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-13 Thread Jack L. Frost
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 01:59:48AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote: > mdev is in busybox. I've managed to bring up my system with it, but > when I tried starting X I couldn't get the keyboard working. That's because by default X tries to hotplug input devices with evdev. And evdev requires libudev. Ther

Re: [Dng] OT: Programming languages again.

2015-02-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Dear developpers and maintainers, please continue providing us with applications written in the language you prefer. I have personnal feelings about which languages are productive and produce bug-free software and which, in the contrary let you waste your time in correcting your bugs a

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-13 Thread Jack L. Frost
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 06:10:40PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 01:59:48AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > mdev is in busybox. I've managed to bring up my system with it, but > > when I tried starting X I couldn't get the keyboard working. > > That's because by default X tr

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread Hartmut Figge
Didier Kryn: > >Le 13/02/2015 15:28, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : >> BTW, there is more than one way to set up (for the local admin) >> meaningful /dev-names. And if you don't want to bother with any /dev >> nane, you can (manually) check with "sg_mag -x -i" to see which device >> is which. Regard

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread Didier Kryn
Found it. Synaptic is great. Describes it as an SCSI CLI. Well done since hotplug keys and even sata drivers use the SCSI API. Didier Le 13/02/2015 16:43, Hartmut Figge a écrit : Didier Kryn: Le 13/02/2015 15:28, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : BTW, there is more than one way to set up (f

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread karl
Didier: > Le 13/02/2015 15:28, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : > > BTW, there is more than one way to set up (for the local admin) > > meaningful /dev-names. And if you don't want to bother with any /dev > > nane, you can (manually) check with "sg_mag -x -i" to see which device > > is which. Regards,

Re: [Dng] OT: Programming languages again.

2015-02-13 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 04:16:48PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: ... > > Just the following restriction: please, when your piece of > software is first of all an API, like dbus is, let it be not too > much language-oriented. I mean don't force other programmers to > think like you, or, worse, don'

Re: [Dng] John Goerzen asks, "Has modern Linux lost its way?"

2015-02-13 Thread karl
Didier: > Found it. Synaptic is great. Describes it as an SCSI CLI. Well done > since hotplug keys and even sata drivers use the SCSI API. > > Didier > > Le 13/02/2015 16:43, Hartmut Figge a écrit : > > Didier Kryn: > >> Le 13/02/2015 15:28, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : > >>> BTW, there

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-13 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 06:21:09PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 06:10:40PM +0300, Jack L. Frost wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 01:59:48AM +, Isaac Dunham wrote: > > > mdev is in busybox. I've managed to bring up my system with it, but > > > when I tried starting X I

[Dng] OT: Programming languages again.

2015-02-13 Thread T.J. Duchene
> Dear developpers and maintainers, please continue providing us with > applications written in the language you prefer. That is always an appreciated request, Diedler! =) > I have personnal feelings about which languages are productive and > produce bug-free software and which, in the con