[Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread william moss
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 LILO will not boot an UEFI. ELILO will. The switch is automatic, based on the firmware. I boot wheezy on two HP laptops w/ Lilo. Grub-2 had an ulcer with the HP UEFI. Do not think it was a grub-2 problem since I have it working fine elsewhere but an

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-08 Thread Nuno Magalhães
Hi, On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: > Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and > libudev1, I get: I don't see eudev or mdev in Debian's repos, are there any viable alternatives? Cheers, Nuno ___ Dng

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2015-01-31 2:35 GMT+01:00 william moss : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > LILO will not boot an UEFI. ELILO will. The switch is automatic, based > on the firmware. I boot wheezy on two HP laptops w/ Lilo. Grub-2 had an > ulcer with the HP UEFI. Do not think it was a grub-2 pr

[Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Jaromil
hi all, as the time approaches for an alpha release, wouldn't be bad to have a design in place for Devuan or perhaps an "beta design" on which to gather reactions. We had many logo submissions as one can see here http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo And even one complete desi

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-08 Thread Jaromil
dear Jude, On Mon, 02 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: >Hey everyone, >Is there a list somewhere that has the packages in Jessie that depend on >some part of systemd?* I'd like to get the ball rolling on compiling out >systemd dependencies for Devuan packages, but I don't want to dupl

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-08 Thread Anthony G. Basile
On 02/05/15 19:05, Nuno Magalhães wrote: Hi, On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 3:47 AM, Jude Nelson wrote: Considering the dependencies on libsystemd0, libpam-systemd, libudev0, and libudev1, I get: I don't see eudev or mdev in Debian's repos, are there any viable alternatives? Cheers, Nuno __

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread hellekin
On 02/08/2015 07:55 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo > *** Without-Systemd.org is behind an anti-Tor Cloudflare wall. Please disable it! > And even one complete design study by Alban Crommel > http:/

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Jaromil
hi, A fellow VUA has ...anonymously setup a logo survey here https://it.surveymonkey.com/s/PJT8T3Q On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, hellekin wrote: > On 02/08/2015 07:55 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > > > We had many logo submissions as one can see here > > http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Log

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Dima Krasner
My vote goes to the last logo from http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). The typography is great. On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 10:55:57 + Jaromil wrote: > > hi all, > > as the time approaches for an alpha release, wouldn't be bad to have a > design in place for D

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Jude Nelson
I also like the last logo the best. It's not on the survey, however. -Jude On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: > My vote goes to the last logo from > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). > The typography is great. > > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 10:55

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Alban Crommer
Ola! _Vote_: Why don't you guys install a poll plugin [1] on the w/systemd wiki ? Simple install, free and well known platform, reusable and meaningul users list. _Contest_: Bit of a rushed and short-sighted process IMO. 1. You'll be living with it for years. Don't go for a one-shot logo. Go f

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread hellekin
On 02/08/2015 03:19 PM, Dima Krasner wrote: > My vote goes to the last logo from > http://albancrommer.github.io/devuan/Logo_2ndpass.pdf (D with a spiral). The > typography is great. > *** I like the idea of the spiral inside the D as well. It's vastly superior to every other proposal IMO. What

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Svante Signell
On Sun, 2015-02-08 at 18:03 +, Jaromil wrote: > hi, > > A fellow VUA has ...anonymously setup a logo survey here > https://it.surveymonkey.com/s/PJT8T3Q > I don't know if I managed to vote: Got this (and I don't speak Italian Grazie per aver partecipato all'indagine. Ora puoi creare la tua i

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-08 Thread Jude Nelson
Hey Jaromil, I'm interested in maintaining dbus, but I don't quite understand the proposed workflow for base packages. It sounds Jenkins will pull the sources nightly from Debian (not upstream) and try to build Debian packages from them, but with the Devuan versioning scheme. If so, is there a s

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Jude Nelson
If Google Translate has any accuracy, it means your vote was registered (it's the usual Survey Monkey message, but in Italian). -Jude 2015-02-08 13:38 GMT-05:00 Svante Signell : > On Sun, 2015-02-08 at 18:03 +, Jaromil wrote: > > hi, > > > > A fellow VUA has ...anonymously setup a logo surve

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Alban Crommer
Ola! You'll find all inkscape sources and more (typo, images) on https://github.com/albancrommer/devuan The typo _is_ indeed a beauty. It's Fira Sans, commissioned by mozilla, free, available for a lot of languages, with variants from UltraLight to UltraBold. In other words, what a project like

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Alban Crommer wrote: >Ola! > >Vote: Why don't you guys install a poll plugin [1] on the w/systemd >wiki ? Simple install, free and well known platform, reusable and >meaningul users list. >[1] [1]http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Category:Poll_extensions not

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread T.J. Duchene
On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:01 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: > From: Daniel Cegiełka > To: bill.m.m...@gmail.com > CC: Dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Today 04:01:42 AM > > > "NOTE: I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 because of some > limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT,

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00 T.J. Duchene : > On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:01 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org wrote: >> From: Daniel Cegiełka >> To: bill.m.m...@gmail.com >> CC: Dng@lists.dyne.org >> Date: Today 04:01:42 AM >> > >> >> "NOTE: I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 be

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread P. T. Zoltowski
I would vote for http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/File:Negative_galaxy_banner.png but I would change the direction of the spirals, now they are in the opposite direction to text, creating some dissonance. I think it's better to avoid any resemblance to debian logo, for obvious reasons. And

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:50 PM, Daniel Cegiełka wrote: > 2015-02-08 22:13 GMT+01:00 T.J. Duchene : >> On Sunday, February 08, 2015 12:00:01 PM dng-requ...@lists.dyne

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 16:56:37 -0500 Gravis wrote: > I'm not really a fan of any bootloaders but grub2 has always worked > which is more than i can say for other bootloaders. > > -- Gravis It certainly works if the package manager manages it, but I've found it next to impossible to DIY Grub2 into

Re: [Dng] Community polls on Devuan design

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
> And we should first vote for ideas, not implementations, so that in > the second stage everyone could draw own version of the winning idea. I agree, which is why the various uploaded logos should be considered concepts rather than final products. -- Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 4:52 PM, P. T

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
> From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the "systemd of boatloaders"? --Gravis On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 1

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread T.J. Duchene
> I use linux even without partition... with Grub 2 :) In this thread > you can note that the Grub 2 does not have too many fans. In my > opinion, the best choice is extlinux... but we discuss the same topic > in two threads. > Apologies. I get the list in digest format, and clearly missed that

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 8 Feb 2015 17:47:42 -0500 Gravis wrote: > > From my perspective, Grub2 is the systemd or bootloaders. > > grub2 is well tested, does only one thing, has no interdependencies > and is easily removed/replaced. so tell me, how is it the "systemd of > boatloaders"? > > --Gravis You spend

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-08 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Jude Nelson wrote: >I'm interested in maintaining dbus, that's good news! >but I don't quite understand the >proposed workflow for base packages.* I'm doing my best to detail it here https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-sdk/blob/master/README.md the local Buil

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gravis
> I withdraw my "systemd of bootloaders" comment good because it doesn't fit the situation at all. > You spend twenty minutes reviewing docs on which of the many files to > put your modifications in and the commands to use, you do it just that > way, and it doesn't work. if it's not working the

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 08 Feb 2015, Gravis wrote: > sure configuring it may be a mess but it works I haven't looked deeply into it, but I also feel annoyed by the overcomplication of grub2 compared to its predecessor. now am I wrong to think that most of the cruft on its configuration is added by the current w

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Peter Olson
> On February 8, 2015 at 8:06 PM Gravis wrote: > > You spend twenty minutes reviewing docs on which of the many files to > > put your modifications in and the commands to use, you do it just that > > way, and it doesn't work. > > if it's not working then either documentation is flawed or you are

Re: [Dng] LILO

2015-02-08 Thread Gordon Haverland
On Mon, 9 Feb 2015 01:45:43 + Jaromil wrote: > now am I wrong to think that most of the cruft on its configuration is > added by the current way Debian handles it? I'm on Gentoo. I am supposed to have grub 2 installed. But, I can send information on how things are set up here. I do have a

Re: [Dng] Towards systemd-free packages

2015-02-08 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Feb 08, 2015 at 11:08:24AM +, Jaromil wrote: > here the current thread on this > https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/6 > > Over the weekend I've assessed the first minimal group of packages, > processed them via the new Devuan SDK and committed them on our > packages-ba