Re: [Dng] Announcing libsysdev 0.1.0

2015-01-30 Thread Jack L. Frost
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 01:11:39PM -0800, Isaac Dunham wrote: > I've just released libsysdev 0.1.0. > Source code may be found at: > https://github.com/idunham/libsysdev/archive/0.1.0.tar.gz > (I'll have to tag releases using a different approach.) > > There's an initial port of xf86-input-evdev t

[Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance ___ Dng

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Philip Keogh
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > SteveT > I'm sure you know it already, but it is definitely worth pointing out the classic LILO is still maintained: http://ker

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Philip Keogh
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Philip Keogh wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > > > SteveT > > > > I'm sure you know it already, but it is definitely worth po

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Svante Signell
On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 17:39 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. So, what's the problem with grub? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@li

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. GRUB is brilliant, and complicated. I recently had an issue with update-grub hanging on trying to read from a swap partition, or some such. E

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 02:54:12PM -0800, Philip Keogh wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Philip Keogh wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > > > > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > > > > >

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Philip Keogh
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 17:39 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? >> >> I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > So, what's the problem with grub? > Even

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 05:39:28PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > SteveT Besides (e)lilo, there's (sys|ext|iso)linux and grub4dos-chenall. grub4dos is a supers

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:19:55 +0100 Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 17:39 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > So, what's the problem with gru

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:46:01 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > GRUB is brilliant, and complicated. I recently had an issue > with upda

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Gravis
Steve, to my knowledge, in Debian, there aren't any dependencies on any bootloader that aren't for configuration tools, so unlike systemd you can replace it at will. in fact, i'm pretty sure you can completely remove all bootloader related packages and use something else completely. That said, th

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Robert Storey
On Fri,On Fri, 30 Jan 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > SteveT > I'm sure you know it already, but it is definitely worth pointing out the classic LILO is still maintained Though

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 08:09:56PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:46:01 -1000 > Joel Roth wrote: > > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > > > > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders

Re: [Dng] Boot loader?

2015-01-30 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: > Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2015-01-30 at 17:39 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Is it just me, or is Grub2 as complex and error prone as systemd? > > > > > > I'm wondering if we can have alternate boot loaders. > > > > So, what's the problem with