Re: [Dng] NetworkManager alternative

2014-12-30 Thread emninger
"frank ernest" wrote: > Far from your experience and knowledge essentially i'm lurking. > But, i'm wondering why no one mentions ceni whcih in my experience > (as a user!) works fine. And even me, i was able to manage umts > sticks using ceni. I can't find the web site myself, maybe that's wh

[Dng] User password emailed in plain text

2014-12-30 Thread David Robinson
Seriously? I support the removal of systemd (after wasting hours of my time on both it and pulseaudio), but emailing me my password in plain text is a seriously bad move. I think this will hurt the project. Please stop this happening. Regards David __

Re: [Dng] User password emailed in plain text

2014-12-30 Thread Matteo Panella
On 30/12/2014 16:52, David Robinson wrote: > Please stop this happening. It would be helpful to know which service mailed you back a plain text password. AFAICT, GitLab does not mail back passwords upon registration. If you're talking about the mailing list itself then it's a well-known mailman

Re: [Dng] NetworkManager alternative

2014-12-30 Thread frank ernest
For links to ceni I get only two useful ones: http://manual.aptosid.com/en/inet-ceni-en.htm and http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Ceni I can't seem to find source code. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-b

Re: [Dng] NetworkManager alternative

2014-12-30 Thread frank ernest
No, wait, you sent the link in a later message, thanks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-30 Thread frank ernest
>> I've been reading about how there's a new packaging >> system planned, might I inquire about the ideas/goals >> behind it? >> > > Not that I've seen. Although I have certainly made a few discussions on > the topic. As far as I know, the present plan is to stay with Apt for at > least the first r

Re: [Dng] Gnome

2014-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.12.2014 14:13, Richard wrote: > Yes. > And use a DE like Xfce for easier takeup. > Needless complexity is a trap to delay the Devuan project. IIRC, our primary goal is to bring back the original freedom of chioce, and therefore support non-systemd (or maybe non-freedesktop.*) setups, whi

Re: [Dng] What to do with udev? Some ideas...

2014-12-30 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
Hi Jude, One thing that matters most (for me), is that you're here, working on this, with Devuan team. This is very important! Also, when talking about eudev, we have this: q: plans when udev becomes systemd-only ? (after kdbus merge): https://github.com/gentoo/eudev/issues/95 I can see why

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-30 Thread t.j.duchene
From: frank ernest Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎December‎ ‎30‎, ‎2014 ‎11‎:‎18‎ ‎AM To: dng@lists.dyne.org https://www.mail-archive.com/dng%40lists.dyne.org/msg00051.html >And later messages suggested to me that this was the case. >Perhaps I misunderstood. Maybe there is. I’m hardly a source of

Re: [Dng] Packaging system

2014-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 30.12.2014 18:18, frank ernest wrote: > https://www.mail-archive.com/dng%40lists.dyne.org/msg00051.html > > And later messages suggested to me that this was the case. > Perhaps I misunderstood. I was talking about forking dpkg/apt in case they would introduce any dependency on systemd (which

Re: [Dng] Device management [WAS: system scriptinng language.]

2014-12-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 29.12.2014 04:52, Jude Nelson wrote: > Hi Enrico, > > ACLs act as whitelists that additionally let vdev equivocate about > device nodes to different processes, based on the user, group, process > information (PID, inode, binary path, SHA256), and requested device > file. Let's work through a f

Re: [Dng] What to do with udev? Some ideas...

2014-12-30 Thread dima
You can't just switch to vdev, because many packages depend on libudev. Only udev and eudev provide it. eudev is the only realistic option right now, because it's a drop-in replacement. Moreover, it's the only udev alternative with feature-parity. By the way, I'm not sure whether vdev is ready

Re: [Dng] What to do with udev? Some ideas...

2014-12-30 Thread Go Linux
How many times do we have to suffer from receiving this identical email? dima, please turn the automation OFF! On Sat, 12/27/14, dima wrote: Subject: Re: [Dng] What to do with udev? Some ideas... To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, December 27

Re: [Dng] Device management [WAS: system scriptinng language.]

2014-12-30 Thread Jude Nelson
Hey Enrico, Although it looks simple on the surface, your question got at a wonderful, thought-provoking design decision (at least, it took me several hours to think of a good answer). The design question is, for a device filesystem that equivocates about inode information in order to control acc

Re: [Dng] What to do with udev? Some ideas...

2014-12-30 Thread dima
You can't just switch to vdev, because many packages depend on libudev. Only udev and eudev provide it. eudev is the only realistic option right now, because it's a drop-in replacement. Moreover, it's the only udev alternative with feature-parity. By the way, I'm not sure whether vdev is ready

Re: [Dng] What to do with udev? Some ideas...

2014-12-30 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
For God's sake, why you keep posting the very same massage over and over again?! Or, is that a problem with our mail list? On 27 December 2014 at 12:22, dima wrote: > You can't just switch to vdev, because many packages depend on libudev. > Only udev and eudev provide it. > > eudev is the only

Re: [Dng] Dng Digest, Vol 3, Issue 139

2014-12-30 Thread Nix\
Well, pulseaudio is not the best option but, really, 75% is a bug. I'm using it 0.1% with 3 pids in a 4GB ram system, so... Ubuntu 14 is not the best example for nothing, in addition, 14.04 is not systemd native, so report the bug to canonical about systemd and 14.04 nix\ 2014-12-26 0:15 GMT-03

Re: [Dng] Device management [WAS: system scriptinng language.]

2014-12-30 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:52:38PM -0500, Jude Nelson wrote: > Here's a more practical example that hides /dev/input/* and /dev/dri/* from > every program except the X server (installed to /usr/bin/X): > > [vdev-acl] > bin=/usr/bin/X > paths=input/.*|dri/.* > setmode=0666 This seems broken to me.

Re: [Dng] User password emailed in plain text

2014-12-30 Thread Franco Lanza
On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 03:52:39PM +, David Robinson wrote: > Seriously? > > I support the removal of systemd (after wasting hours of my time on both it > and pulseaudio), but emailing me my password in plain text is a seriously > bad move. I think this will hurt the project. > > Please stop

Re: [Dng] Device management [WAS: system scriptinng language.]

2014-12-30 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi Adam, Good catch! The class of user-initiated runtime program alterations (ptrace, LD_PRELOAD, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, different ld, etc) had slipped my mind. This is why I'm having the conversation on vdev's core features *before* the first alpha release, so design problems like this will get caugh